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PhotosNot Queitite
27th Sep 2023 15:16 UTCNeal Luppescu
Sample 02 – adamite
XRD
The main mineral phase is paradamite, with anorthic structure, space group: P-1. The highest score shows a #04-011-6894 reference pattern from Mapimi, Durango, Mexico, published by
Hawthorne, F.C., Acta Crystallogr., Sec. B: Struct. Crystallogr. Cryst. Chem., 35, 720-722, (1979).
Peaks from a small admixture of smithsonite were observed.
Ref. Code Mineral Name Chemical Formula Score SemiQuant [%]
04-011-6894 Paradamite Zn2 ( AsO4 ) ( OH ) 57 92
00-008-0449 Smithsonite Zn CO3 35 8
Raman
Raman analysis of sample No. 2 did not reveal the orthorhombic structure typical for adamite. The examined mineral phase matches the R050582 pattern of the international structural database RRUFF, identifying it as a triclinic paradamite.
27th Sep 2023 15:25 UTCKyle Beucke 🌟
Sorry!
Kyle
27th Sep 2023 15:37 UTCNeal Luppescu
27th Sep 2023 17:00 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
Neal Luppescu ✉️
I would recommend deleting the picture and its description, given that most of it is incorrect. Generally, photos from previous owners aren't deleted, but become part of the record of the specimen. If you've kept the same MinID (which you should), I believe the way it works is that your new photo becomes the new parent (or you assign the new photo as the parent), and any additional photos you upload plus any photos from previous owners all become its child photos.
It's quite likely that your new photo will be from a slightly different angle or direction (or a very different angle or direction), or use slightly different lighting (or very different lighting), be from slightly closer or further way, or have a different background. Any or all these potential differences offer the possibility that new or unappreciated visual features of your sample will become noticeable, so having all the old photos still available for comparison is always useful and adds to the richness of the specimen record.
27th Sep 2023 16:13 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
27th Sep 2023 17:30 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
The caption of the first child photo doesn't talk about the yellow crystals:
"This miniature is an important rarity as it contains two very good and very prominent, translucent, off-white, almost diamond-shaped, bladed crystals of queitite in association with paradamite. The queitite crystals are 1.2 and 1.0 cm across, respectively, which is huge for the species."
27th Sep 2023 18:14 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
27th Sep 2023 21:16 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
27th Sep 2023 21:32 UTCNeal Luppescu
27th Sep 2023 21:53 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
28th Sep 2023 06:36 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager
The specimen was sold through iRocks and they had apparently had it tested - they thought it was originally paradamite (as per a label) but their tests (whatever they were) confirmed queitite.
The off-white diamond shaped crystals were "visually" id'd by iRocks as possibly plumbotsumebite!
Now I don't know what particular tests were carried by iRocks but perhaps the testing that they carried out should be re-examined and establish how they precluded paradamite.
Neal, you indicate that you had it XRD tested. Are we sure that is sufficient to preclude it from queitite.
I note that in Gebherd's Tsumeb book that the only photo of queitite is of almost transparent elongated crystals. Could some of those transparent crystals in this specimen be queitite sitting on paradamite?
I know that I don't know enough about specialised mineral testing so just asking.
29th Sep 2023 13:28 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
May I suggest that, in the future, the original captions of all photos, including the child photos, are mentioned at the start of the thread (and in that way are stored and still available for further elaboration of the issue).
What we have now, are captions that have been edited, but we can not see the text of the original captions anymore. And that is not only a pity; it is also confusing, for now we no longer know what was originally written in the caption and what has been modified.
Fortunately Keith's message made me search online, and the auction details for this specimen are still available as I write this. Here are the important parts of the description used when the specimen was up for auction (quoted, with ... when part of the text was removed by me):
"A ... miniature with sparkly, lemon-peel yellow color ... It is an important specimen of queitite - rather than the paradamite we assumed it was and as it was originally listed here, BASED ON an old label and old purchase in the collection, perhaps dating to before the new mineral was named. .. There are only a few known specimens of Queitite from Tsumeb ... and this is undoubtedly one of the best of them! ... and we thought this was a paradamite but have since been corrected. This miniature ... contains two very good and very prominent, translucent, off-white, almost diamond-shaped, bladed crystals of what seem to be plumbotsumite (by visual ID, not by RAMAN yet) ... These crystals are 1.2 and 1.0 cm across, respectively, which is huge for the species! The identity is given based on known associations and paragenesis now that we have established the yellow mineral is quietite after all. ... The color ... a bright yellow, glistening, elongate cluster of sharp crystals that cascades from the upper right to the lower middle of the specimen, in direct association with the assumed plumbotsumite crystals. ... "
The plumbotsumite is most likely standing for plumbotsumebite ...
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