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Fakes & FraudsBlue Hemimorphite from Ojuela Mine
16th Sep 2020 19:45 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
16th Sep 2020 22:00 UTCBob Harman
16th Sep 2020 23:57 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
17th Sep 2020 00:10 UTCRuss Rizzo Expert
17th Sep 2020 00:13 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
17th Sep 2020 00:18 UTCRuss Rizzo Expert
17th Sep 2020 01:56 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
17th Sep 2020 14:35 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
23rd Sep 2020 17:41 UTCRichard Harrison
17th Sep 2020 15:11 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
18th Sep 2020 00:10 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
18th Sep 2020 00:26 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
20th Sep 2020 20:54 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
"Hello everyone, we’re following up on the blue hemimorphites from Ojuela, MX that we posted about three days ago. To recap, a “new discovery” of electric-blue hemimorphite specimens became available, the quality and color of which were shocking to the mineral community. Fine Minerals International/Mardani Fine Minerals acquired a group of them remotely via photos and videos provided by our local contacts. Physical inspection of the material showed inconsistencies with natural coloration that raised a number of doubts to their authenticity. So, before bringing the pieces to market, we sent samples to a few labs for analysis. Today, we write to inform you that we’ve received the results from Dr. John Rakovan (Professor of Mineralogy/Geochemistry) at Miami University and are sharing them with the mineral collecting community at large.
Upon close examination, there is clear evidence that the color was a coating on the superficial layer of the crystals, and that it had been adhered to the crystals’ surfaces in an uneven fashion, and presents evidence of evaporation. This alone was not sufficient for a determination but is a strong indicator. Use of Raman spectroscopy ultimately revealed that the color was, in fact, the dye Phthalocyanine Blue BN, a commercially created coloring agent used for dyes and paints. It is an unnatural substance and was not present at the time of the hemimorphite’s formation; therefore, we have concluded these specimens to be fabricated and fake. Based on these findings, we are not bringing the specimens we acquired to market. We would like to note that other dealers and enthusiasts also sought to determine the source of their coloring but that their studies were often inconclusive as the material was extremely difficult to isolate because of the super-thin coating and required advanced equipment to identify its presence. We cannot state that all examples are false, we suggest that if one questions their specimen, they have samples analyzed for specific results. We hope that this answers questions and is a service to the community. Thank you for your interest."
20th Sep 2020 21:42 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Sep 2020 00:13 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
Can anyone get that pigment?
Can anyone do that job?
Is the discovery video edited?
21st Sep 2020 08:00 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
d) I haven't seen the video, but if I were trying to fake a video I'd do one of two things, either selectively ramp up the blue component of the video to match the colour of the fake pieces or (probably more likely), simply return a large dyed piece to the mine, put it back in place and make a video while extracting it again.
20th Sep 2020 22:05 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
21st Sep 2020 00:50 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
21st Sep 2020 07:55 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Sep 2020 09:01 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
21st Sep 2020 08:13 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
I very much doubt this, because of the time it would have taken to research how to fake something and make it look very much like the genuine ones - it's VERY unlikely that this happened and all released at the same time. It's far more likely they are all fake.
And it doesn't really matter now. Even if there was a genuine one - good luck trying to prove it's real.
If you have bought one of these contact the dealer and ask for a refund. All reputable dealers will refund on these pieces without hesitation.
21st Sep 2020 10:07 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager
21st Sep 2020 10:15 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Sep 2020 10:16 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Sep 2020 15:23 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
21st Sep 2020 15:21 UTCBret Howard 🌟
21st Sep 2020 16:45 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
21st Sep 2020 17:12 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
21st Sep 2020 17:34 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
21st Sep 2020 18:56 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
21st Sep 2020 19:45 UTCBill Dameron 🌟 Expert
21st Sep 2020 19:52 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
The video is terrible quality, and doesn't really show anything properly in situ.
21st Sep 2020 19:53 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
But none of that alters in any way at all that they are fake.
21st Sep 2020 21:23 UTCJuan Ángel Tort Figueroa
21st Sep 2020 21:46 UTCRobert Nowakowski
23rd Sep 2020 06:07 UTCGregg Little 🌟
21st Nov 2020 20:20 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
21st Sep 2020 19:44 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
21st Sep 2020 22:15 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
21st Sep 2020 23:01 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
21st Sep 2020 23:31 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager
23rd Sep 2020 06:35 UTCTama Higuchi Manager
23rd Sep 2020 16:04 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
23rd Sep 2020 18:07 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager
23rd Sep 2020 18:04 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager
23rd Sep 2020 18:53 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
10th May 2023 22:32 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
10th May 2023 23:03 UTCDana Slaughter 🌟 Expert
10th May 2023 23:47 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
11th May 2023 00:27 UTCRobert Nowakowski
11th May 2023 01:11 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
11th May 2023 01:42 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
18th Sep 2023 20:25 UTCUdo Behner
18th Sep 2023 20:26 UTCUdo Behner
11th May 2023 13:14 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
11th May 2023 13:19 UTCDana Slaughter 🌟 Expert
11th May 2023 14:37 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert
11th May 2023 14:51 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
11th May 2023 15:52 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager
11th May 2023 16:29 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
11th May 2023 19:11 UTCKevin Conroy Manager
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