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MineralsAnorthoclase

24th Oct 2013 20:39 UTCPeter Andresen Expert

Is anorthoclase stil valid? Can't find it on IMAs updated list, and think I read when the feldspars went through revision that it's ended up like andesite, labradorite, as intermediates, but between sanidine and albite.


Peter

28th Nov 2020 04:56 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

I just noted this mineral was still listed as a mineral/compound despite the IMA demoting it years ago, so I changed it to a variety of albite, which I presume was the idea?  But its still very unclear how we deal with this name. The demoted plagioclase intermediates are fine, petrologists still use them happily as the chemistry is usually well constrained as either albite or anorthite. But with the alkali feldspar series, we had anorthoclase defined as containing from 10 - 36% of the Kspar end member, and sanidine from 36 - 100% Kspar. So anything containing between 36 - 50% albite, i.e. Na>K, was still considered sanidine; this might have worked for petrologists but didn't sit well with mineralogists. All the same, we have have the uncertainty of knowing what all the anorthoclase and sanidine specimens actually are now? Perhaps many of the sanidine were classified using the old classification, and so could be called albite, along with all anorthoclase? 

Interesting to see anorthoclase is still listed as valid on Webmineral, obviously not being updated sadly, maybe it needs to have a warning on the website?


28th Nov 2020 05:36 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

Ralph Bottrill ???? Manager  ✉️

But with the alkali feldspar series, we had anorthoclase defined as containing from 10 - 36% of the Kspar end member, and sanidine from 36 - 100% Kspar. So anything containing between 36 - 50% albite, i.e. Na>K, was still considered sanidine; this might have worked for petrologists but didn't sit well with mineralogists.
 The additional challenge, however, is that in the 36%-50% K-spar range, I believe the feldspar is still monoclinic. So while the triclinic 10%-36% K-spar range can be easily justified as albite, the Na-rich portion of sanidine may not quite be sanidine, but it isn't quite albite either... maybe it's really "K-stabilized monalbite"?  heh heh.

I've analyzed volcanic "sanidines" with Na>K right that plot right at the 36% K-spar boundary (for example, from https://www.mindat.org/loc-190531.html ); that I almost exactly landed on the mysterious boundary I found both intriguing and somehow mineralogically telling.

Under the microscope, I can't see any evidence of anorthoclase's characteristic twinning in the particular 36% K-spar content Azores feldspar example I looked at (it may be present sub-microscopically, although I didn't see any twinning under the microprobe either):


Without evidence of twinning, I'm assuming this material is still monoclinic, and so far, I've still called it "Na-dominant sanidine" based on the 36%-100% K-spar range. But if there's a better option for a name, I'm open to seeing how how this thread evolves.

29th Nov 2020 09:10 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

Thanks Frank for your comments. 
Yes it can be hard to try to hammer mineral definitions based on optics over chemistry, into modern nomenclature.  I’m still not convinced we need orthoclase, but I think people are scared to move this motion.  I recently analysed some Sanidine/Anorthoclase crystals which were as low as 37mol% K, so was unsure what to call them, as sanidine really didnt suit the Na-rich chemistry. I eventually settled on sanidine/Anorthoclase, though maybe it should really have been high albite or analbite?

28th Nov 2020 09:46 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

The IMA status has been set to 'discredited' but no reference for this has been added in the IMA approval history - this needs to be added whenever we list something as discredited.

28th Nov 2020 09:57 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

"Discredited" doesn't have quite the right meaning, as it implies something was wrong with the original description, even though it had been studied to death. How about "redefined" as a category?

28th Nov 2020 11:13 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

These are not for us to choose. These are the official IMA status.

Either it was discredited or it was redefined, or none of the above.  We need to know what officially happened to it.

28th Nov 2020 11:28 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

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Whitney, D. L., & Evans, B. W. (2010). Abbreviations for names of rock-forming minerals. American mineralogist, 95(1), 185-187. 

Says that the status is I for intermediate of a solid-solution series, which makes sense.

I have removed 'discredited' - it may well have been discredited or redefined - but we need to have a link to the OFFICIAL ima document listing this in order to list either of those statuses. 

 
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