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GeneralProceedings of the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia

21st Jan 2019 21:55 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert

For those who have acquired a mineral specimen from the Philadelphia Academy of Natural Sciences, JSTOR has a portion of the proceedings digitized on its website: https://www.jstor.org/journal/procacadnatuscie?refreqid=excelsior%3Ac084f1a2dad2cc2fd1af88d7f8aba18b

I recently used the database a few months ago on two celestine crystals from Put-in-Bay, Ohio, that I acquired from Collector's Edge that were donated by Joseph Jeanes (1806-1894). I found the entry on JSTOR that Joseph Jeanes donated the celestine crystals in 1883.

If you are looking for more provenance information on your specimens I would consider using JSTOR as a (free) resource.

21st Jan 2019 22:38 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

Jamison - great tip. Does anyone know how the Academy's specimen numbers correspond to date of acquisition. I have #'s 23036, 24200, 7712, 21333 and 8101.

21st Jan 2019 23:09 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert

Not sure the collections numbering jives all that well with the age of the specimens if that is what you're looking for. It may be a matter of latter acquisition and occasionally some re-allotting and labeling of in-house materials as well. A few of the much older material from ANSP I have has a much higher ANSP catalogue number than latter-day materials do. Even one of the W.S. Vaux pieces has a much higher number than other material with the exact same personal Vaux labeling. Strictly speaking, any relationship between the number and acquisition date is not necessarily the case, nor solid evidence to support much of anything.

I have in house ANSP specimens: #4496, #6291, #7909 #4501, #7092, #7151, #21861, #4268, #18407, #2847, #22274, #1634, #8440, #18351, #9025, #793, #23024, #5204, #5199, and #3082 (acquired from Justin).

MRH

22nd Jan 2019 11:11 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

Here is another free resource:

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/search?searchTerm=Philadelphia+Academy&stype=C#/titles

text search is available as well

cheers

22nd Jan 2019 11:34 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert

Jeff, I found an old post that might answer your question.

Chris Stefano wrote about the Philadelphia Academy of Sciences collection:

If you post a photo of the label, I may have more to say, but in general, catalog numbers below ~10,000 are not really dateable other than that they were cataloged before Vaux's bequest in 1882. This is because they didn't always catalog specimens right away. I have a specimen that was donated by Henry Seybert in 1825 that has a catalog number of 24202, and another Henry Seybert specimen with number 4612. So catalog numbers do not necessarily indicate when the museum got the specimen. Basically the only reliable way to date ANSP specimens is to figure out when the donor was alive.

The museum retained the 1882 Vaux bequest (catalog #s between 10,000 and ~18,000 ) as well as the Adam Seybert collection. If the label has Vaux's name typed on it, chances are it never belonged to him. I have a Bolivian specimen that was clearly collected by Sam Gordon in the 1930's with a typed Vaux collection label. I have another specimen that has a typed Vaux label and also retains a Smithsonian label, indicating that that is where it came from. I've also seen specimens with numbers around 1000 or so with Vaux collection labels, which indicates to me that they probably printed too many of those labels and then used them to replace damaged labels on other specimens, or for new specimens that were being brought in.

22nd Jan 2019 14:23 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

Thanks guys, confirmed what I suspected, that the numbers are really meaningless. Good to know about the re-use of the Vaux labels.

2nd Jun 2022 23:36 UTCJamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert

After acquiring another Philadelphia Academy of Science specimen, I learned that the Academy knew about the labeling shenanigans in the Vaux collection. Drexel University ( https://archivalcollections.drexel.edu/repositories/3/archival_objects/17549 ) has the museum catalogs archived into boxes. Would be great if Mindat could get a digital copy of these, now that the collection has been sold off.

3rd Jun 2022 03:33 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Jamison K. Brizendine 🌟 Expert ✉️

Would be great if Mindat could get a digital copy of these, now that the collection has been sold off.

Jamison,

Can you help Mindat to get such a copy?

Cheers, Herwig

3rd Jun 2022 19:09 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert

Excuse me for somewhat hijacking this post. I am a Drexel graduate but now live in the Los Angeles area so it is difficult for me to access the actual paper files. I have a keen interest in the A. E. Foote artifacts stored in the aforementioned collection and would greatly appreciate it if any person local to the collection could obtain, scans/ photos, etc....? Please PM.

6th Jun 2022 16:25 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert

A more recently acquired example shows that some of the earlier material with four white digits on black field & the diamond shaped paper tags (which are also present on all of the material I acquired that included a "personal" Vaux hand-scripted paper label as well), were occasionally re-numbered by the academy with five black digits on a white field. The outer portion of the larger black painted field is still visible on this specimen, and the lumpy areas on the smaller white painted field where there is excessive crazing, are the original four numbers still beneath the new paint (albeit not decipherable).

7th Jun 2022 04:25 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Aarrrgglll !!

MArk, those are very interesting observations, no doubt!

But why did not you mention what we are looking at and where it comes from?

Piemontite comes to my mind, but is it?

Please set us free! :-)

Cheers, Herwig

7th Jun 2022 04:40 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert

Sorry Herwig, I didn't feel the species or locality was particularly relevant to the subject at hand, but the original posted image is an old ruby Zincite in Franklinite from Franklin (Furnace), Sussex Co., New Jersey, USA.

Since you mentioned it, here's one just for fun. An old 19th C. specimen of Piemontite "Braunstein" (Werner, 1817) with original labels (unknown collectors), from Aosta Valley (Piedmont), Italy. 8.3 x 4.8 x 3.3 cm. (sorry to get "off track" with this one)

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