PhotosDiabase quarry, Dzikowiec, Gmina Nowa Ruda, Kłodzko Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
where is this quarry ??? Please describe in Polish - prosze opisac wlasnymi slowami po polsku !
Krzysztof
Purely from a Google aerial search it may be here: E 50.271283 N 21.849565
Which looks more like a small temporary quarry for road material or even just land clearing, small dam construction?
But this is just a guess 
I think Keith is probably right, but transpose the E and N in the coordinates to 21.849565 E, 50.271283 N Kevin
N/S/E/W all gets blurred when you're at the bottom of the globe and I've also got "man flu" at the moment !
Thanks for the correction Keith, the flu's the worst! Hope you get well soon. As it turns out I had surgery today for a cracked tooth. Unfortunately no crystals inside, so not a geode... 
Keith, sorry, but your coordinates are wrong, this is another Dzikowiec. The right Dzikowiec is about 50°34'12"N, 16°34'21"E.
Lukáš Křesina Keith Compton Wrote:
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> Purely from a Google aerial search it may be here: E 50.271283 N 21.849565
Kevin Conroy Wrote:
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> I think Keith is probably right, but transpose the E and N in the coordinates to 21.849565 E, 50.271283 N
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both coordinates are too complicate for my GPS convrter and Google Earth so every time when I copy them, re-calculation is resultin in absurdal results. But anyway - Mr Kornaga is not interested in answering my question, adding today more:
https://www.mindat.org/photo-947855.html
https://www.mindat.org/photo-947854.html
https://www.mindat.org/photo-947856.html
https://www.mindat.org/photo-947863.html
and a few more...
-so I give up.
regards
P.S. Lukáš Křesina Wrote:
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> Keith, sorry, but your coordinates are wrong, this is another Dzikowiec. The right Dzikowiec is about 50°34'12"N, 16°34'21"E.
Lukáš - yes, that's right Lucas
Then that would indicate that it is perhaps the Slupiec Quarry, Nowa Ruda, Kłodzko Co., Lower Silesian Voivodeship, Poland
although the front of the mine from the street indicates Kopalnia Gabra (Gabra Mine ??)
However the photo does not match that mine in any way.
Without confirmation from Kuba one way or another then it remains doubtful at this point
Cheers Keith Compton Wrote:
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it is perhaps the
> Slupiec Quarry, Nowa Ruda, Kłodzko Co.
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- Keith of course this is this quarry because there is not another one. I guess the top of the hill from the east side. Problem is that Mr Kornaga probably don't care about anything else than downloading own pictures, so the chaos continue... 
Krzysztof: we had set back the access level of Mr Kornaga to zero, but someone had changed it back to 1, so now he is able again to add dubious localities and photos.
I hope this issue will be resolved soon... 
I was also hoping not to see the errors from this user, and I am a bit shocked of this level 1 ... It was really hard to follow there numerous errors... This is not a roadside crowbar for road construction purposes. It is a quarry, small, but it is.
50.553244, 16.575853
If you did not block my access, everything would be clear, because everything would be on the page with time. On the hill there are two quarries belonging to two other companies
As for the rest of the charges against my person, there are a lot of blurry and blurry pictures on minatd pages, including your authorship (but I do not want to present them here) Please also change the location of my two photos, because they do not come from the quarry Słupiec .... Kuba Kornaga Wrote:
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> 50.553244, 16.575853
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- thanks , something completely new - even the Google Street View doesn't show access road, freshly cut across the forest.
Don't be surpries that I asked my question, there is too much wrong things in this part of Poland, that cost me too much time & energy. I will write something later about it (I'm freshly back from the job).
regards Jakub - only shortly about this locality.
The first version of the entry 'Slupiec quarry' was called ''Przykrzec, Nowa Ruda Massif, Nowa Ruda (Neurode),' - added by me in March 2018. In description : "Active gabbro-diabase quarry with mylonites zone between them, also natural and semi-natural geological outcrops on the hill slopes."
I asked one of the Polish mindat user for permission to add his gabbro outcrops photo from the so called Dzikowiec railway cut, with gabbro rocks quite good exposed. Unfortunatelly he respond but never sent me photos, so after such information about other locality from different area
Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:
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> If the name of the quarry is not 'Łysanka' it should not have been added this way to begin with.
> If the description and the mineral list is for a quarry, the name of the quarry should be the locality name.
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I also changed the entry name from ''Przykrzec" to "Slupiec quarry". Since this moment, adding any 'outside the quarry' names but also from the Mount Przykrzec is loosing sens. But in this case, if the new quarry is opened - this is a different situation. Your mistake on the beginning was, that you did not added immediatelly accurate point on the map, your 'green' point was on the west side of the Mount Przykrzec - where no diabase at all accures, because this is ONLY gabbro zone - please look at this map:
What to do now? I think that to avoid mistakes and further amendments, please try to contact the owner of this new quarry and find out what its official name is - and then, according to Jolyon's recommendations, add a new location. The name 'Diabase quarry, Dzikowiec' seems to be incorrect, because according to the administrative boundaries available on Mindat, this pleace is located outside Dzikowiec village, see map number two.
About minerals photos and Slupiec coal dump - all next time
regards Nice joke.........
You may try to change anything about the Słupiec heap and it will be reverted back, you may be sure of that. Krzysztof Andrzejewski Wrote:
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... gabbro outcrops photo from the so called Dzikowiec railway cut ...
This photo was waiting for publication in Mindat ... but I am blocking access to the site …
Can I please say something here.
The problems with have with grouping/splitting localities based on different information, different references and different ideas on whether two environments in the same locality, or two shafts or dumps associated with the same mine, etc. etc. are NOT easy problems to solve!
There is no standard rule on mindat for how these things should be handled because each case needs to be looked at individually.
It's perfectly normal for two different people to have two different views about how such a thing should be arranged. We can try and advise where possible about how best to do it, but in some cases there is no 'right' answer. Are two sites the same or different? We can't always know.
What we do need though is for everyone to work together politely and respectfully. If you find what you think is an error don't always assume your 'correction' is correct. Your view may be as incorrect as the original.
And between us we can figure out what the problems are. Do we need better systems to define relationships between localities? Better ways to divide the types of mineralogy within a locality so that certain materials (eg anthropogenic) can be split off from others? Those may not be the right solutions, but it is absolutely right to talk about it.
Right now Poland is a country of 38 million people. Those of you here from Poland, a mere handful of people, who are contributing your time and knowledge towards documenting the mineralogical diversity of a whole country are representing your entire country. We need you all.
Work together please. Work together politely. Accept that sometimes you won't be able to agree on everything. Accept that you're not always right about everything. Accept that sometimes we put rules in place here that conflict with how you think the structure and data should be organized - and that means you either have to understand why these rules are in place and work around them - or propose new rules that help solve your issues.
Don't get too angry with users who are trying to contribute but aren't necessarily as knowledgeable as you and mess some details up. You should see some of the debates that happened at the start of mindat with information that I was trying to contribute myself. No-one has made a greater mess of mindat data over time than I have. Even recently with my reorganization of polish regions I probably broke more localities than anyone else in the history of mindat's Poland editing.
Make proposals for changes. Debate them politely. If there are system-wide changes I can make to improve the way things are linked I'll do my very best to provide them for you.
And be excellent to each other!
Jolyon 
Bravo!!
Mindat is a community of hundreds (thousands?) of pure volunteer contributors, each with their own opinion. Only by working together in a civilised cooperative manner will things get done properly and accurately...... This forum is just one example of what makes Mindat great! Mineral enthusiasts from around the world are working together to make the mineral and localitiy information in the database as accurate as possible. As Jolyon said sometimes the baseline information needs to be tweeked a few times along the way, but each time the goal is to reach prefection.
An exchange of information is essential to ensure that this process works. This allows for contributors of all levels to understand why the information in the database is as it is when a suspected error is reported. When no exchange of information occurs it's unknown if an error is being investigated, if there's a technical issue that is preventing rectification, or ... A lack of communication is happening with an error report regarding the Viburnum Trend: https://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,7,458783,459451#msg-459451 If I can say something - please don't be naive :)
One of the well-know apocrypha, assigned to Otto von Bismarck about us - Poles, sounds:
"Let Poles to rule and they will finish themselves".
- and as we unfortunatelly know very well, very accurate sentence... Thanks, Jolyon (: I am really happy that I can easily discuss things with you and Elek Szełęg. Krzysztof Andrzejewski Wrote:
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> About minerals photos and Slupiec coal dump - all next time regards
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Jakub - I have not forgotten about a given word, but there is a problem. Newest Informations given on Mindat contradict with this what I wanted to say, so taking into account everything that I wrote until today on the forum and what ended so far in some kind of hysterical war - therefore I am forced to give up. Sorry but I don't belive that now will be differently. Please find the name of this new quarry and let us know.
regards Krzysztof Andrzejewski Wrote:
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> Krzysztof Andrzejewski Wrote:
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> > About minerals photos and Slupiec coal dump -
> all next time regards
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> Jakub - I have not forgotten about a given word,
> but there is a problem. Newest Informations given
> on Mindat contradict with this what I wanted to
> say, so taking into account everything that I
> wrote until today on the forum and what ended so
> far in some kind of hysterical war - therefore I
> am forced to give up. Sorry but I don't belive
> that now will be differently. Please find the name
> of this new quarry and let us know.
> regards
Talking about the.... "hysterical war":
One of the well-know apocrypha, assigned to Otto von Bismarck about us - Poles, sounds:
"Let Poles to rule and they will finish themselves". "One of the well-know apocrypha, assigned to Otto von Bismarck about us - Poles, sounds:
"Let Poles to rule and they will finish themselves".
- and as we unfortunatelly know very well, very accurate sentence..."
Do you really think such content is appropriate?
I have a question to you: do you address the mindat data or do you address me as a person? 
I think he was trying to find some humour in the situation, sometimes we need to stop and laugh! Its not worth going crazy over. Krzysztof Andrzejewski:
... Please find the name of this new quarry and let us know…
I would like to change it myself, but I can not ... Widzę że znowu ktoś wprowadza zamieszanie na forum. Dodałem informacje ze kamieniolom leży w granicach wsi Dzikowiec, a ktoś znowu to zmienił na Słupiec. Sam właściciel kopalni ma w nazwie Dębówka - która jest częścią Dzikowca. ... Kuba Kornaga Wrote:
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> Widzę że znowu ktoś wprowadza zamieszanie na forum.
> Dębówka - która jest częścią Dzikowca. ...
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- Jakub nie wiem o co chodzi, bo na zadnym forum nic nie pisalem wiecej o tym kamieniolomie. Lokalizacje z Dzikowca na Slupiec zmienilem dzis rano, wiec jesli o to chodzi to tak - dlatego ze wyrobisko lezy na terenie Slupca czyli Nowej Rudy. Chcesz przez to powiedziec, ze wydzielenia administracyjne jakie uzywane sa na Mindat - sa nieprawidlowe??? Nie sprawdzalem tego i nie zamierzam jak mam byc szczery, ale troche mnie zaskoczyles w tym momencie. Z jakiego ztodla korzystales? Od czasu kiedy Geoportal pozmienial ustawienia map topograficznych, cholery idzie dostac - postaram sie usiasc w weekend i rzucic okiem. Co do nazwy jaka uzywa wlasciciel to nie ma wielkiego pola manewru - poszukaj w sieci nadania koncesyjnego to zrozumiesz (sprawdzilem - wszystko jest :) )
Pozdrawki
P.S. Jestes pewien ze zdjecie dendrytow Mn to na pewno ta lokalizacja? W tym samym czasie dodawales tez Szklary, nie pokickalo ci sie przypadkiem? Witam Krzysztofie,
Przyznam, że lokacja ta jest dosyć problemowa :) Co do Geoportalu to także muszę przyznać, że od jakiegoś czasu mam problem z korzystaniem z tego serwisu … i na samą myśl, że mam tam coś poszukać - to szelag mnie trafia !@#$%^:) kiedyś było łatwiej/szybciej/dokładniej. Staram się korzystać z innych dostępnych map, chodź nie mam obecnie faworyta. Przed wyjazdem troszkę grzebałem tu i tam, no i teraz przy okazji dostępu do neta postanowiłem wrzucić tą lokalizację ponownie. Zdaje się, że ulica przy której leży kamieniołom (wejście do niego) nazywa się Dębówka no i z tego co mi się zdaje jest ona częścią wioski. Jeden miejscowy także potwierdził, że to jeszcze Dzikowiec/Dębówka ... Ale jak to sprawdzisz to daj znać :) Bo sam już mam mętlik …
Co do PS'a. Dendryty ze Szklar są na magnezycie, te z "Dzikowca"jak i ze Słupca były na kalcycie …
PS. Czy nie warto by było także zmienić nazwę Słupiec Mine - Nowa Ruda Mine - oczywiście z dopiskiem że to to samo :) ? Kuba Kornaga Wrote:
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Czy nie warto by było także zmienić nazwę Słupiec Mine - Nowa Ruda Mine - oczywiście z dopiskiem że to to samo :) ?
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- kiedy to absolutnie nie to samo, "Johann Baptista Grube" to 258 lat tradycji gorniczej,. z czego jedynie 29 jako KWK "Nowa Ruda" - pole wydobywcze 'Słupiec', a przez pozostale 229 lat jako niezalezny podmiot. Laczenie tego ponownie w jedno, a juz zwlaszcza z totalnym burdelem jaki panuje we wszystkim, co sie wiaze z KWK "Nowa Ruda" - pole "Piast", nie ma naprawde wiekszego sensu... No to jak tu wierzyć serwisowi ? ;) pozdroo Kuba Kornaga Wrote:
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> Przyznam, że lokacja ta jest dosyć problemowa
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- sprawdzilem calosc, z bolem ale udalo sie i wniosek jest jeden: obaj nie mielismy racji, bo ani Slupiec (czyli Nowa Ruda) ani Dzikowiec. Nowy kamieniolom znajduje sie bezdyskusyjnie w obrebie gminy Nowa Ruda:
- ale administracyjnie wlaczony jest w obreb Czerwienczyc:
Wrzucam calosc z Geoportalu, mimo ze FATALNIE to widac i trzeba niezle oczy wypocic, zeby cokolwiek dostrzec. Niemniej w dosc prymitywny sposob pociagnalem wzdluz granicy biala przerywana linie, zeby wyrazniej zilustrowac zasieg tego co podciagnieto pod Czerwienczyce. Cholera wie czy to solectwo czy jakies inne urzednicze cudactwo, jedno jest pewne - jesli nie chcesz dac sie zwariowac w mysl kompletnie niezrozumialych tzw.nowych regulacji, dodajac nowa lokalizacje wchodz w gmine - w tym wypadku Gmina Nowa Ruda i otwieraj zakladke 'Add Sublocality'. Unikniesz wtedy jakichkolwiek calkowicie niepotrzebnych bledow - zobacz ile czasu i pisaniny zajelo do tej pory ustalenie prawidlowego zapisu nowego kamieniolomu !!! Zreszta wystarczy rzut okiem na to co powyzej zeby zrozumiec, ze przed nami kolejny cyrk z rozbijaniem administracyjnym kamieniomu 'Slupiec' na czesc wyrobiska znajdujacego sie w obrebie miasta Nowa Ruda i w obrebie gminy Nowa Ruda - odnosnie kopaln Cu juz mi to wypunktowal jak koniowi na roli, szef tego zamieszania... Oh, I was missing this soooo much........
I have no doubt that using Polish language is very helpful to correct anything.
Especially to - may I cite Mr. Andrzejewski - "szef tego zamieszania..." (a boss of this kerfuffle) (I assume you've meant Jolyon Ralph), who "has won on points to me regarding the Cu mines.....". czlowieku - powiem krótko: odzwierciedlasz soba cechy, ktorymi sie genetycznie brzydze... 
Those mines and quarries must be producing the best minerals in Poland, if they deserve such huge amount of discussion about their exact location and hierarchical position... You have accidentally touched the heart of the matter - this region is now of no importance at all, and because Mindat needs army of volunteers - in the name of doing many other things - it was sacrificed 'in an altar of higher necessity'... Please, accept the photos and add them to the location.
