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GeneralNew Mindat Page

17th Apr 2018 14:09 UTCRolf Luetcke Expert

Wow!!!

Went on early this AM and what a difference. Still all there but will take a bit of time to see everything and navigate easily.

Jolyon - Big Change!! I know you said it was coming but here it is!

17th Apr 2018 14:14 UTCBruce Cairncross Expert

Ditto for me as well Rolf. So it wasn't an April fool's joke

I was accessing the site here in Johannesburg this morning and then it went off line for a few hours. Then the new format appeared.

I think its excellent, very user friendly with extra features and with a highly "modernized" design, not that the old one was bad!

Well done Jolyn and to any others who might have been involved.

17th Apr 2018 14:30 UTCLuca Baralis Expert

Very very good!

17th Apr 2018 14:38 UTCRui Nunes 🌟 Expert

I like it. Well done Mindat team!

17th Apr 2018 14:41 UTCOwen Lewis

I think it's a great step forward.

17th Apr 2018 15:19 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Hidden secret tips:

As you probably discovered, clicking the background image behind the search bar makes it go full screen.

You can then press "1" and "2" to switch between show with borders or show full screen cropped view.

17th Apr 2018 15:35 UTCTimothy Greenland

You know, in spite of being an old stick-in-the-mud, I think I'm going to like this...

Thank you Jolyon

Tim

17th Apr 2018 15:46 UTCGerhard Niklasch Expert

Congratulations on a job well done!

Everything I've clicked on so far just... works as expected. That's impressive. If every major software upgrade everywhere was done this carefully, troubleshooting folks like me would be out of their day jobs. :-)

(OK, just spotting two small glitches after all, here in the message-composition form: the "src" and "help" button icons seem to be missing. The HTML page is looking for them at /phorum5/mods/bbcode/icons/src.gif and /phorum5/phorum5/mods/editor_tools/icons/help.gif respectively. The latter path has one "phorum/" too many; not sure about the former.)

And now I am wondering which copper compounds have been used for the colour scheme. ;-)

Cheers, Gerhard

17th Apr 2018 15:48 UTCKyle Bayliff

Where can I find the articles page and the announcement posts from mineral vendors? Are those gone now?!

17th Apr 2018 15:59 UTCDonald B Peck Expert

WOW!!! I like it! Jolyon, great job and a definite improvement. It is going to take a while to get comfortable with navigating, but that's OK. I imagine there will be some future tweaks, but that too is OK.

Don

17th Apr 2018 16:10 UTCErin Delventhal Manager

Gerhard,

It's a Hansonburg District inspired theme - spangolite and brochantite with some altered galena.

Erin

17th Apr 2018 16:18 UTCMonica Kitt

@Kyle, the Articles appear in the teal horizontal menu toward the right side. Dealer updates are toward the bottom on the right side above "Our Supporters"

Jolyon, looks great!

17th Apr 2018 19:40 UTCAlfred L. Ostrander

But what happened to Rock? Or am I missing something?

17th Apr 2018 20:25 UTCScott Rider

Great job Joylon!! I like the clean modern look, not that I didn't like the old version. Everything is working on my phone and the laptop, and the links from email notifications seems to be working as well!!

The site runs much better in my phone!! It used to load very sluggishly and this version seems much faster and way more responsive!

17th Apr 2018 20:38 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager

Definitely has a more "modern" look to it.

Now that it's up and running, it appears to look even better than in development.......

17th Apr 2018 20:51 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager

My only question is..... if I am a brand new visitor to Mindat (never been here before), how do I know where to go on the homepage to have my specimen identified?

17th Apr 2018 20:55 UTCDonald Lapham 🌟

I notice that the map for any locality seems to come up centered off the west coast of Africa?

17th Apr 2018 20:56 UTCKyle Bayliff

Monica Kitt Wrote:

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> @Kyle, the Articles appear in the teal horizontal

> menu toward the right side. Dealer updates are

> toward the bottom on the right side above "Our

> Supporters"

>

> Jolyon, looks great!

Aha! I see it now that I'm on my laptop. I was using my mobile phone earlier, and these menus did not show. It might be worth going back to make sure everything is still accessible on mobile as well.

17th Apr 2018 21:23 UTCMalcolm Southwood 🌟 Expert

Very impressed Joylon,

I like it very much!

17th Apr 2018 21:46 UTCNick Gilly

This is definitely an improvement! I like the tabbed menus at the top of the page. There seems to be more options now, or maybe they are just more accessible.

17th Apr 2018 22:02 UTCKevin Conroy Manager

This new version works great on my phone, but it has some glitches on my desktop computer. There are some major differences on what gets displayed depending on what device, and perhaps which operating system, that you're using.

I have the same issues as Donald re the locality map on the desktop, no problem on the phone. Windows 7 is my OS.

17th Apr 2018 22:03 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Paul Brandes Wrote:

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> My only question is..... if I am a brand new

> visitor to Mindat (never been here before), how do

> I know where to go on the homepage to have my

> specimen identified?

Perhaps for someone who wants us to do something for them for free they should earn the right for us to help by actually figuring this out themselves :)

17th Apr 2018 22:04 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

> I have the same issues as Donald re the locality map on the desktop, no problem on the phone. Windows 7 is my OS.

Which browser?

Internet Explorer is no longer supported, so if you're using Windows 7 you should switch to Chrome or Firefox.

17th Apr 2018 22:23 UTCKevin Conroy Manager

Thanks Jolyon, I am using Explorer. There's the answer!

17th Apr 2018 22:52 UTCDoug Schonewald

I am also using explorer but have no problems thus far

17th Apr 2018 22:53 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

Alfred, Rock is still there, watching over us from his mountain seat, if you slide the message pane sideways!

17th Apr 2018 22:54 UTCryan christensen

For example, when I search Gypsum from Morocco images, how do I scroll through all images?

17th Apr 2018 23:16 UTCアーロンベリル

Looks great! Thanks for your hard work mindat team! This site "rocks"!

18th Apr 2018 00:23 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Ryan,

thanks! this bug is now fixed.

Also, you can type in "gypsum from morocco images" or "gypsum from morocco photos" into the front page search box now.

18th Apr 2018 01:22 UTCJeff Weissman Expert

Looks great, cudos to all involved! However, I am not finding Dealer News as it appeared on the old page. Also, some of the left/right arrow scrolling does not return to the original display item.

18th Apr 2018 02:33 UTCPaul Brandes 🌟 Manager

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:

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> Perhaps for someone who wants us to do something

> for them for free they should earn the right for

> us to help by actually figuring this out

> themselves :)

I guess you're right. I'll drop this line of thought; after all, a frustrated new user (and potential new donor) is a great way to promote the usefulness of the site.

18th Apr 2018 04:11 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Can consideration be given to changing the font colour on the edit bars. Kind of green on green and not readily legible.

Don’t know how any colour blind folks would find it but I find it difficult and I’m not c/b.

I realise the buttons change once selected.

Cheers

18th Apr 2018 04:16 UTCMartin Rich Expert

Looks great! But I have one point than needs a little improvement in my oppinion. When you click on a link in the top row of a localiy page, so you have than a second row with links (e.g. "Display" → "Standard", "Detailed",...). The colour of writing is not ergonomic. Light blue on turquoise background! More contrast would be better for reading.

Anyway, all in all great work!

Martin

18th Apr 2018 07:24 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Keith/Martin, this is fixed

18th Apr 2018 07:36 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager

The photo of the day comes up completely distorted with me. Internet explorer, yes...

Why do you not support IE anymore? I never wanted any of the others!

Eddy

18th Apr 2018 07:57 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Sorry, we only support the latest browsers from each manufacturer. This includes:

Microsoft Edge (not Internet Explorer)

Mozilla Firefox (latest versions)

Chrome (latest versions)

Safari (latest versions)

As you can see Internet Explorer really doesn't work well with modern web designs, and so we will NOT support it - sorry.

18th Apr 2018 08:20 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

I have added a warning at the top of the page so that IE users know they are running an out-of-date browser.

Remember - out of date browsers are FAR more likely to make you vulnerable to security attacks on your computer from malicious websites or even malicious adverts on otherwise legitimate websites.

It is not safe to use old browsers. Upgrade!

18th Apr 2018 08:58 UTCBrenton Mah

I've had issues viewing a good majority of images on mindat lately, before the update (for the past several months) and after as well. I'm using Google Chrome, and mindat has been treating me with broken image icons everywhere. This issue doesn't appear when I attempt with Internet Explorer, but I have no intentions of browsing with IE. Deleting site cache from my Chrome browser doesn't seem to fix the issue. Images work fine for just about any other website I browse, however. Any ideas?

18th Apr 2018 09:40 UTCRik Dillen Expert

Yesterday I discovered a beautiful makeover of the MINDAT webpages, but...

When opening MINDAT today I saw the following quite rude message:

>>>>>Sorry - you are using an old, incompatible browser. Internet Explorer and older browser versions are not supported and may not display correctly. Please try Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox.

Edge causes a lot of trouble with e.g. our online banking system and several other systems, and Google Chrome is causing incompatibility problems and interferes with other Microsoft components (e.g. try to get rid of Chrome once it's installed !!).

So bear in mind that those browsers generate a lot of problems as well! I have no intention to install a specific browser for each website!

Just make the website (also) compatible with Internet Explorer again instead. If your members want to cope (and remedy) with the supposed vulnerabilities of I.E. that's their own choice and responsibility.

BTW, the language of the message on the top of the home page of MINDAT sounds aggressive and rather humiliating.

18th Apr 2018 10:04 UTCRik Dillen Expert

I posted my previous message quite fast. I apologize for the somewhat assertive tone of my 'voice', but want to express my appreciation for the work of the MINDAT team. MINDAT is an absolutely splendid initiative for the mineral collectors community, that is very much appreciated. The use of specific types of browsers is a minor topic, and I (and others) will have to adapt their PC-configuration accordingly. So I will respect Jolyon's opinion. Greetings, and enjoy MINDAT further as before!

18th Apr 2018 10:06 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

This is certainly not "rude" or "aggressive" or "humiliating" (geez ...), it's just pointing out the facts.

18th Apr 2018 11:10 UTCErik Vercammen Expert

For Donald Lapham: I suppose this is the place where the meredian of Greenwich crosses the equator, so latitude and longitude = 0

18th Apr 2018 13:10 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Thank you Jolyon

That colour contrast is much better on both iPhone and PC

Cheers

18th Apr 2018 13:28 UTCJohn R. Montgomery 🌟 Expert

...AND I can now see everything on my iPhone... previously certain areas were cut off!!!

18th Apr 2018 19:58 UTCMatt Ciranni

It looks good except for...the banner at the top about "using an old incompatible browser."

This is not actually the case with me. I am using Internet Explorer 11, which is the latest and greatest version; I don't know why the website thinks it is an "old and incompatible browser." I get that older versions of I.E. are not exactly desirable to use anymore, and I wouldn't see the need to support those either. But the website looks fine and loads correctly otherwise, and I like it!!! Thanks and great job.

18th Apr 2018 20:16 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager

Actually Microsoft has stopped development on IE11 and has gone to "Edge" as their current browser.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-ie-support

18th Apr 2018 22:14 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

On IE11 the photo of the day is squashed and the boxes underneath overlap each other.

So no, IE11 is not compatible with modern web technology, which is why Microsoft have abandoned developing it any further.

Jolyon

18th Apr 2018 22:49 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Brenton,

Can you try disabling all of the chrome plugins that may be installed temporarily and see if that improves things?

19th Apr 2018 01:22 UTCRuss Rizzo Expert

******** Never mind I figured out the problem

19th Apr 2018 02:38 UTCBrenton Mah

Jolyon & Katya Ralph Wrote:

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> Brenton,

>

> Can you try disabling all of the chrome plugins

> that may be installed temporarily and see if that

> improves things?

Hi Jolyon,

Seems that the front page images at least are now working for me before I even attempted your suggestion. Hopefully it will remain that way. Still, I've disabled extensions, and also attempted to disable plugins altogether on Chrome. Nothing seems to be any different.

However, there are still some images that do not work for me: 1) some that work in IE while broken in Chrome, 2) some that do not show up in either browser. An example of 1) is the icon of the src button within the textbox messaging options...shows up as the proper icon in IE while the icon picture is broken in Chrome. An example of 2) is the left photo showcasing baryte at this link: https://www.mindat.org/loc-233423.html

This image seems to be broken in both Chrome and IE. On Chrome, when you right click an image and select "Open image in new tab", the image should show up. However, for this image, I get this error message:

Warning: Division by zero in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php on line 261

Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Call to a member function fetch_object() on boolean in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php:178 Stack trace: #0 /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php(267): imgcache->findscaled(0, 0, NAN) #1 /home/mindat/www/arphoto.php(16): imgcache->get(0, 0) #2 {main} thrown in /home/mindat/www/imgcache_class.php on line 178

19th Apr 2018 15:18 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert

The updated Mindat format is attractive and mostly seems to work well. Some debugging is to be expected when rolling out a project of this magnitude. I appreciate the thought and effort that have gone into it.

Regarding POD, I would prefer that the preview show a slice of the photo in correct proportion rather than the entire image, squashed out of shape.

For my part I hate trying to keep up with the perpetual obsolescence of computer technology. I have a BS in computer science; computers were fun back when we controlled them and they worked for us. When that relationship reversed a decade or two ago I lost interest in trying to keep up.

19th Apr 2018 15:38 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Hi ed the photo does show correctly when you use a modern supported browser

19th Apr 2018 19:54 UTCPeter K. Szarka

The new format looks nice and updated. I like the new tie-ins to the mining industry.

Despite the new format and despite changing my browser to Chrome, the same problems persist for me that I've mentioned a number of times over the past few years.

The first attempt to log in always fails.

The second attempt to log in succeeds but does not show me logged in. The only way I know I'm logged in is that the message boards indicate unread threads in red.

I have not seen the Logout button in years.

Even if logged in, I am unable to comment on member's articles such as the various show visits.

I am unable to add photos anywhere but the message board.

Even so, I find the site eminently useful and refer to it on an almost daily basis. Thanks.

20th Apr 2018 08:22 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager

Well if I am the only one, fine, but I preferred the site as it was...

For as far as I can tell of course! ;)

I realise I am becoming a dinosaur, but I do not use a smartphone... and the fact that

more and more sites are designed to fit on those tiny screens make them look silly

on my 19 inch screen, of which the outer 4 inches are hardly used anymore!

Fine, I am using a very old computer. Why not? It still works fine!

Running edge on windows 7 is a nightmare, I hear from people who know.

And besides, Jolyon, I checked my favourites. I have just under 300 websites there

that I use on a regular basis. None of them has an issue with my 'old' browser.

Mindat is the first site that tells me they no longer support my browser!

I will have to live with the fact I am becoming a minority I guess. But I sure think

I am not alone...

Eddy

8th Oct 2019 07:00 UTCBart Cannon

You are NOT alone. I am Legacy Man. I still have a working computer system for data analysis that uses DOS 6.3. I hate keeping up with Windows. Three of my analysis packages require Windows XP, and I am forced to keep using them. I actually like XP, and it still works fine for many of my needs. I prefer it over Windows 10, but I'm stuck with Windows 10.

The fast changing tech world is getting bad for analytical applications. Used to be that a product was good for 10 years until it became legacy gear. Now it's about 2.5 years. Princeton Gamma Tech has thousands of EDS systems for electron microscopy around the World. They were recently bought by Bruker, I think, and the usurper did not keep any of the PGT staff. Everyone is out of luck, including me.

8th Oct 2019 21:38 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

True Bart, it’s annoying how many useful applications fall off the list because people give up rewriting them for the latest operating system. And the network at work shuts down once a month to add patches. Surely there is something wrong with this picture? I’m not convinced things are working much better or any faster, just getting overloaded with fancy stuff we don’t need. Well that’s my grumpy old gripe done for the day!

20th Apr 2018 11:53 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Eddy,

I'm not entirely sure you have noticed, but the new home page uses MORE of your 19" screen than the old one! It has been designed to make better use of your screen, not just for smartphone!

Edge does not work on Windows 7, it is only for Windows 10 (officially) , so on Windows 7 your only options are Chrome, Firefox or Opera (I don't *officially* support Opera, but it seems to work fine with Mindat)

The problem is that to support Internet Explorer is not just a matter of some small changes, it requires almost TWO entirely different versions of the home page, one for modern browsers, one for Internet Explorer. Less than 7% of our users use Internet Explorer (probably a lot less, as many bots report themselves as Internet Explorer to avoid detection) so we really can't justify the cost of developing IE support - especially when IE is now being replaced by Edge on Windows.

Fortunately, I think the internal pages work better on IE than the home page. Remember, we are not deliberately making IE stop working, I would love it if there were easy ways to make the site work with IE.

If anyone wants to take this on as a project, and provide an easy CSS or Javascript fix to make the new site work better with IE, then I'd be delighted to implement it. I just don't have the time to do this myself.

Jolyon

20th Apr 2018 14:24 UTCBrandon Aldinger

Hello Jolyon,

I really like the new webpage format. I've been mostly a passive reader of the site over the years, but have found it very helpful in my work on inclusions in glass. I just discovered the "search by element" feature, which I thought was very nicely executed.

In any case, I am using Windows 10 with the Edge browser, and the POTD on the home page appears vertically compressed until you click on it. From what I gather above, that should not be happening, so I wanted to let you know.

Thank you for your work on the site,

Brandon

20th Apr 2018 15:40 UTCScott Rider

I've noticed something I did not see earlier. When I view a mineral gallery (location, individual mineral, a person's gallery), the image gets cut off on the right side -- basically half the image is viewable, and there is no way to swipe over to see the whole specimen). This only happens on my mobile Chrome browser.

Tilting the phone to widescreen view doesn't fix it, as it keeps the original perspective. When I select use desktop version, it fixes the issue, so I have to do that every time I view something in a gallery. So something with my Chrome is cutting off half the image from the screen. I don't like other mobile browsers, they all seem to have one or two problems and Chrome seems to be the most reliable at the moment... Any ideas why Chrome can't fit the screen properly?

My desktop looks great and runs really well so I have yet to see any problems there!

20th Apr 2018 15:48 UTCScott Rider

I forgot to add, Chrome won't let me zoom in or out of the page, so I can't use that either... I have to use the option "use desktop version" to get it to work properly.

Other than that, I really, really like the responsiveness of the site. It, for me at least, is much faster to search, to load pages, and images pop up much, much faster!! Overall, great job!!

20th Apr 2018 18:31 UTCThomas Lühr Expert

I have the same issue as Scott describes, using Android and Chrome. To me it looks that the photos would fit into the screen, in case they would start at the same position as the caption text starts.

With other words, they seem to be correctly scaled, but positioned somewhat to much to the right.

20th Apr 2018 21:37 UTCKristi Hugs

ok, so i took a year or so off and come back to WOW!!! Will definitely take some getting used to but change always does, right? Jolyon, what an undertaking and well done! I may have to spend weeks here to play catch up!

20th Apr 2018 23:38 UTCDoug Schonewald

Eddy,

I too am using IE. I am also using Windows 8.1. I purposely ordered my system with Windows 8.0 because I have several remote devices that don't function with Windows 10. I did not want to have to replace those devices just to change to Windows 10 and Edge.

There is a work-around for Windows 7 & 8 if you wish to use Edge but it is cumbersome and doesn't function well so I stayed with IE. Chrome is a resource hog and gobbles RAM, Mindat is an important part of my computer use but it is not the only use and I find Chrome doesn't work for me and my system well. I uninstalled it. The older version of Firefox was also a resource gobbler and while they say the new version is better I hesitate to bother with it. Since I seldom, if ever, look at the home page IE seems to be working fine for me. As I get deeper maybe I'll see problems I don't see now. Just in case I exported my catalog to my desk-top. If it becomes a major problem I can always go back to cataloging the old way.

21st Apr 2018 08:21 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Brandon Aldinger

If you are seeing the image vertically compressed then you have an out-of-date version of Microsoft Edge installed. Please make sure you run Windows Update and get your system up to date.

Scott

There is a known problem with photos being offset on mobile on some pages which I am working on fixing!

Douglas

As mentioned above we can't support IE any more. Some pages will work, some won't. If mindat is important to you I suggest you try Firefox again.

21st Apr 2018 13:26 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert

The distortion of the POD occurs at work where they still use Explorer. Nothing I can do about that, but I'm glad to see that it works right elsewhere.

I use Mozilla Firefox on Windows 10 at home, and I am completely satisfied with it as a web browser. I don't use Edge, Chrome, or Explorer at all when I can avoid it. Everything I have tried so far in Mindat works fine under Firefox, with one exception: on a specimen page, the scroll ribbon for the popup caption works backward--you have to mouse upward to make the text move down and vice versa.

21st Apr 2018 13:40 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

There are still a few bugs in Firefox which mean I generally prefer using Chrome instead. Yes, it's resource-hungry, but it's not expensive to add a whole heap of memory to a computer these days.

21st Apr 2018 16:48 UTCScott Rider

I use Firefox and it seems to run quite well on it. But I have used it a lot on that browser. I stopped using Chrome on my desktop due to the resource issues (always causing issues with other programs), and Firefox seemed to fit the bill for now...

21st Apr 2018 19:28 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder

Actually, more recent builds of Chrome are very much more resource friendly than previous. If you haven't tried Chrome in the last year or so you should give it another go.

21st Apr 2018 23:00 UTCThomas Lühr Expert

The images are perfectly placed now on my phone. Great job, Jolyon. Thank you!

22nd Apr 2018 03:21 UTCMartin Rich Expert

On pages with photos, e.g. new photos today, at the bottom is a link with "view slideshow". What does this mean (has no function)?

24th Apr 2018 10:34 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

I use IE - the major problem I have is the yellow sign on the top of the page that says I am using an outdated browser. This sign is displayed continously on every mindat page I go to after having received the "information" on the start page and opted to continue to use IE.

It goes away when I log in.

So, many sites have an option to stay logged in - would that be a possibility?

Another solution would be to rephrase this information and move it to a more discrete place - "Mindat support only the following browsers - X, Y, Z...

keep up the good work

cheers

24th Apr 2018 10:51 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

J

I must say I'm getting used to all the changes and they all seem for the better and Mindat does seem to work a little faster as well.

Thanks

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