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GeneralRuby Star Sapphire...natural or not?

17th Jan 2014 06:06 UTCKit Warner OP
My husband bought this while in Viet Nam many years ago, is there any way for us to tell if it's natural other than taking it to someone? When I look at it through a jewelers glass I can see a lot of tiny dark specks and a few inclusions. The star does move with the light and is not perfect. I know that there are lots of them that are man made, so was wondering about this one, thanks!
17th Jan 2014 13:01 UTCRock Currier Expert
How much did you pay for the stone? Its probably synthetic, but its impossible to say for sure from the photo.
17th Jan 2014 15:25 UTCWilliam C. van Laer Expert
Kit:
It has an obvious flaw that clearly shows it is natural. Synthetic stones are FLAWLESS.
Chris
It has an obvious flaw that clearly shows it is natural. Synthetic stones are FLAWLESS.
Chris
21st Jan 2014 11:43 UTCPeter Slootweg 🌟
It looks synthetic to me. The rays of the star are very thin and sharp. The bottem of the stone looks perfectly flat to me. That is a hallmark of synthetic star stones.
Many people believe that synthetic stones are perfect. That's why these stones are treated to create imperfections to simulate natural stones.
The fact that you bought in Vietnam near the source makes it extra suspicious.
So based on the pictures i would say, Synthetic.
Peter
Many people believe that synthetic stones are perfect. That's why these stones are treated to create imperfections to simulate natural stones.
The fact that you bought in Vietnam near the source makes it extra suspicious.
So based on the pictures i would say, Synthetic.
Peter
21st Jan 2014 15:20 UTCStephanie Martin
Hi Kit,
To me it looks like a natural stone that has been treated, this is common. For enhancing the "star", known as asterism, the most likely treatment is diffusion:
Diffusion: The use of chemicals in conjunction with high temperatures to product color and/or asterism-producing inclusions.
taken from the enhancement code list from Alpine Gems (could not find a definition on gemdat or mindat).
http://alpinegems.ca/catalogue.html
regards,
stephanie :-)
To me it looks like a natural stone that has been treated, this is common. For enhancing the "star", known as asterism, the most likely treatment is diffusion:
Diffusion: The use of chemicals in conjunction with high temperatures to product color and/or asterism-producing inclusions.
taken from the enhancement code list from Alpine Gems (could not find a definition on gemdat or mindat).
http://alpinegems.ca/catalogue.html
regards,
stephanie :-)
21st Jan 2014 19:39 UTCA. M.
I have a similar red-colored star corundum, my is not synthetic, it was probably enhanced, the imperfections are evident under magnification.

21st Jan 2014 22:19 UTCKit Warner OP
22nd Jan 2014 17:08 UTCOwen Lewis
Kit,
The stone has been cut and polished. Accordingly, 'the flat back of it' gives no information on its origins. I agree with Stephanie and others that your piece has geological origins. As to whether or not it has been treated for enhancement, I'm not prepared to guess off the photos.
Whatever, it's nice! Enjoy :-)
The stone has been cut and polished. Accordingly, 'the flat back of it' gives no information on its origins. I agree with Stephanie and others that your piece has geological origins. As to whether or not it has been treated for enhancement, I'm not prepared to guess off the photos.
Whatever, it's nice! Enjoy :-)
25th Jan 2014 03:54 UTCA. M.
When I look at the stone on the polished/star side with a lens I can see a pattern of concentric formations - the stone was produced by cutting across the corundum crystal, perpendicular to its c-axis.
Sofia
Sofia
25th Jan 2014 11:45 UTCOwen Lewis
ATS,
Are you talking about your own stone of the pics that Kit put up here? If the latter, I can see no 'concentric rings' in Kit's pics (nor, given the low level of definition and the lighting, would I expect to be able to do so).
Where present, I'd say that curved growth lines in corundum were diagnostic for corundum produced by the flame fusion process. In geologically produced corundum - and also in flux grown and some other synthetic production, one would expect to see straight growth lines intersecting at the expected 120 deg angle.
Are you talking about your own stone of the pics that Kit put up here? If the latter, I can see no 'concentric rings' in Kit's pics (nor, given the low level of definition and the lighting, would I expect to be able to do so).
Where present, I'd say that curved growth lines in corundum were diagnostic for corundum produced by the flame fusion process. In geologically produced corundum - and also in flux grown and some other synthetic production, one would expect to see straight growth lines intersecting at the expected 120 deg angle.

26th Jan 2014 04:13 UTCKit Warner OP
OK...thanks everyone...& promise these will be the last pictures! lol I took them at night with flashlight, some pretty odd, you can see some of the dark specks & the bright spots that are in the stone...plus something new I've not noticed because the stone is naturally darkish...there seems to be an "extra" star thing on the side and sort of two different colors in the stone. Since it's by "flashlight" the color of the stone has a more bluish color than purple. Maybe, at least, this will help in future ID of other stars as to their being "natural" or man made..?

26th Jan 2014 05:32 UTCA. M.
I meant my stone, straight lines. I cannot see what's on Kit's too well...
Sofia
Sofia
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