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Fluorcalciopyrochlore : (Ca,Na)2(Nb, Ti)2O6F, Annite : KFe2+3(AlSi3O10)(OH)2

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minID: 9FD-GQ5

Fluorcalciopyrochlore : (Ca,Na)2(Nb, Ti)2O6F, Annite : KFe2+3(AlSi3O10)(OH)2

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Field of View: 6 cm

The sample is 6 cm x 4 cm with 1 cm cuboctahedral Pyrochlore crystals.

This sample is from one of the few localities where Pyrochlore crystals occur in matrix, in this case a felsic syenite. The Pyrochlore crystals are a deep brown colour, resinous luster and are semi-transparent. Pavel Kartashov in an April 6, 2012 message says: Most of usual transparent reddish-brown pyrochlores from carbonatites of Vishnevye Mts are fluorcalciopyrochlores. Brown opaque pyrochlores from nepheline syenites are still fluorcalciopyrochlores transitive to hydroxycalciopyrochlores or hydroxycalciopyrochlores. Large crystals
able to contain black cores of U- and Ti-rich zerovalent-dominant pyrochlore (~betafite). Egg-yellow products of their final alteration often are hydropyrochlores.

Nedosekova et al. (2021) has an analysis of the Zone #140 Pyrochlore with: (Ca 1.068, Na 0.854 Sr 0.024)2
(Nb 1.861, Ti 0.137)2 06 F 0.843. Other pyrochlores of the carbonatite complex have slightly different chemistry. They have a photograph of their analyzed Zone #140 sample that is similar to this sample but it has colourless coarse-grained Calcite covering the Pyrochlore crystals.

The black mica phase from this locality has been determined to be Annite by Pavel Kartashov.


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PhotosFluorcalciopyrochlore - Vishnevye Mts, Chelyabinsk Oblast', Southern Urals, Urals Region, Russia

18th Jan 2018 01:02 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

This is typical pyrochlore from calcite carbonatite veinlets within miaskites (biotite-albite nephelin-syenite) - rock of the main intrusive phase of the massif.

Pyrochlores from these veinlets usually has composition very close to NaCaNb2O6F intermediate between fluorcalciopyrochlore and fluornatropyrochlore with Ca:Na ratio almost right 1:1 (or very close to 1:1, similar to Na1.01Ca0.99 or Ca1.02Na0.98. In other words they are old kind "papa pyrochlore" (pyrochlore sensu stricto) according to Hogath nomenclature.


What about mica, it is titanoan biotite (var. lepidomelane), or in other words annite. Tetraferrophlogopite never was reported from these rocks.

18th Jan 2018 09:43 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

Pavel,

What about the huge crystals from Tatarskii Massif?

Can you give an idea about their qualitative chemistry too?


cheers

18th Jan 2018 15:31 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

Some later I'll check this crystal https://www.mindat.org/photo-284496.html and will move it in proper gallery. I bet on hydroxycalciopyrochlore.

18th Jan 2018 15:39 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Pavel:


I included tetraferrophlogopite as it was mentioned on a commercial mineral website as accompanying pyrochlores from this locality. Do you have any chemical data on the mica phase?

18th Jan 2018 19:31 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

https://www.mindat.org/photo-284496.html The broken corner of that specimen is golden color like pyrite? Could it be a big pyrite crystal with radioactive inclusions?

18th Jan 2018 22:50 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

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Reiner, you offending me. Do you really think, that I am able to confuse pyrite with pyrochlore!?


Do this looks like pyrite? And it is absolutely nonradioactive - this is Tatarka!

18th Jan 2018 23:12 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

Hi Richard,

wouldn't be better to read some scientific article with petrographycal description of miaskites of the main intrusive phase of Vishnevogorskii alkaline complex?

Tetraferriphlogopite is unlisted in whole this massive. You'll rather find there usual phlogopite (in xenolits) or tetraferriannite (in huge carbonatite bodyes).

It is very simple to recognize tetraferriphlogopite if you had sometimes saw it. No reasons to suspect tetraferriphlogopite in this titanoan biotite.

Micas of the locality are well researched from end of 50th. Monography of Es'kova and Zhabin is the classical description of this massif.

19th Jan 2018 00:11 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Pavel:


I agree but most of the articles are in Russian, which I cannot read.


There is an article in English that does mention Tetraferriphlogopite from Vishnevogorsk: Nedosekova et al. (2009) The Il'mensky-Vishnevogorsky Miaskite-Carbonatite Complex, the Urals, Russia: origin, Ore Resource Potential and Sources, Geology of Ore Deposits, v. 51 no.2 pp.139-161. They mention both annite (lepidomelane) and tetraferriphlogopite from the Vishevogorsk Nb mines.

19th Jan 2018 01:33 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Sorry Pavel I thought it would be very unlikely you would make that mistake but you must admit based on that photo alone it does look like pyrite.

19th Jan 2018 11:12 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

Hi Richard,

today I asked specialists who supports mineral kadstr of Vishnevye Mts. According to data of Pavel Khvorov of Geological Institute Ilmeny State Reserve not tetraferriphlogopite, nor tetraferriannite weren't confirmed during detail complex (XRD+IRS+microprobe) investigations.

Even huge carbonatite bodies (40x12 m) of Kapitalnaya adit contains only simple annite.


Your sample is composed of very typical miaskite wall-rock with thin (2-3 cm) calcite carbonatite veinlet. Mica in your sample is titanoan biotite similar to any miaskite of the massif.


Hi Reiner,

of course I make most of my pictures on usual office scanner, but I dont think, that it is so bad to produce inrecognizable images of pyrite and pyrochlore. Frankly speaking I haven't noone picture of pyrite itself in my photogallery, but I supposed that its metallic lustre was reflected enough well - https://www.mindat.org/photo-486815.html , https://www.mindat.org/photo-209660.html , https://www.mindat.org/photo-144821.html - to be recognized.

19th Jan 2018 15:05 UTCReiner Mielke Expert

Hello Pavel,


Your office scanner does amazingly good pictures!

19th Jan 2018 15:44 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Pavel:


Thank you for asking about the micas. I have changed the sample designation to annite with your reference.

19th Jan 2018 21:35 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

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Yes Reiner, sometimes I am surprising myself.

Yesterday I tryed to photograph rheniite sample with Nicon camera, vasted about hour and obtained photos not better than these

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After this I tryed to give job to my scanner and obtained this photo for 2 minutes
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19th Jan 2018 21:36 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

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You may to judge yourself which images are better...

19th Jan 2018 21:45 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

Hi Richard,

I should to say, that this your sample is quite good for the locality (especially in a past time). I myself, for example, haven't such quality pyrochlore specimen from veins of this type up to now.

19th Jan 2018 23:42 UTCRichard Gunter Expert

Hi Pavel:


This is a fairly old sample. I happened on a dealer called Russian Stone at the 1994 Manitoba Mineral Society show. He had a group of very rare samples of which I picked this one, my posted Inderborite, my posted Kara Oba Cosalite and my posted Flora Mountain Lorenzenite. That was all I could afford but he had many more I would have loved to purchase.

16th Feb 2018 23:45 UTCPavel Kartashov Manager

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Johan Kjellman Wrote:

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> Pavel,

> What about the huge crystals from Tatarskii

> Massif?

> Can you give an idea about their qualitative

> chemistry too?


Hi Johan,

my specimen turned out Hydroxykenopyrochlore with composition (◻0.91Ca0.89Na0.20)2.00(Nb1.95Ti0.05)2.00(O4.93OH1.07)6.00(OH0.70F0.30)1.00.



Of course this was particle from outer zone of crystal (about 1-2 cm below crystal face surface). Apparently Fluorcalciopyrochlore should to be at more deep levels of the crystal.
 
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