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Hematite : Fe2O3

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Copyright © Marello Minerali
 
 
 
 
minID: K9M-QX5

Hematite : Fe2O3

Copyright © Marello Minerali  - This image is copyrighted. Unauthorized reproduction prohibited.
Dimensions: 5 cm x 5 cm x 4 cm

Specimen and Photo Bruno Marello

This photo has been shown 215 times
Photo added:15th Aug 2020
Dimensions:2510x1673px (4.20 megapixels)
Camera:NIKON D800

Data Identifiers

Mindat Photo ID:1070418 📋 (quote this with any query about this photo)
Long-form Identifier:mindat:1:4:1070418:4 📋
GUID:20e09434-8e9e-4a9a-9c0d-0d22ba91a77e 📋
Specimen MinIDK9M-QX5 (note: this is not unique to this photo, it is unique to the specimen)

Discuss this Photo

PhotosMagnetite identity uncertain

7th Sep 2020 08:47 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

Magnetite?? Has it been analyzed? The appearance is of hematite, certainly not of magnetite. Look at the red color on the lamellar crystals.
At the limit it can be a partial pseudomorphosis of magnetite on hematite, but it is not specified in the caption. Who approved this photo, can explain to us on what basis him did it?

7th Sep 2020 12:50 UTCJennifer Cindrich

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Beppe,

I just learned today! 

If you click on the ‘i’ next to the photo icon  on the locality page with the photos you can see if it has been tested.  This has not been.

Jennifer

7th Sep 2020 13:20 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Dear Jennifer,
What you have written is not the whole story.
The "i" in front of the mineral name takes you to a page for this mineral and for this location.

In this case, it takes you to the "magnetite from Montoso Quarries" page. The validity of that mineral for that locality is stated as "believed valid". In other words, we think we can be sure the mineral has been found at this location. Other photos of magnetite (octahedrons !) sure look like the real deal.

On the other hand, Beppe pointed out that the specimen on the photo above does not look like magnetite, and Beppe thinks it is hematite. I fully agree with his observation.

So, even if the presence of magnetite would have been proven 100% (with all possible analysis), that would not have changed Beppe's observation.
Good catch, Beppe!

Cheers, Herwig
ACAM & MKA (Belgium)

7th Sep 2020 14:00 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

Thanks for your kind intervention Jennifer, but my observation refers to something else. I have been going to Montoso for over 30 years and probably in this long period of time I have been there at least 400 times. Here I do not question the fact that magnetite is present in the Montoso quarries, I am simply saying that in my opinion, knowing well the appearance of the magnetite of these quarries, the mineral photographed is not magnetite. Unfortunately, among the photographs of the minerals of Montoso there are several that in all probability do not really represent the mineral indicated. Someone, I do not mention names, perhaps convinced of playing bingo, seems to enjoy filling in all the boxes of the species present with their own photographs, not necessarily of the declared mineral, inserting images of very low quality in which it is not possible to establish what they are really.
Having the qualification of expert, I could easily remove the check mark from the Public Gallery but I don't want to wage a personal war with these people so I invite the managers, if it is possible, of to be a little more careful in the approvals.

7th Sep 2020 14:10 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

Thanks for the endorsement Herwig. It is exactly as you say.
Cheers. Beppe

7th Sep 2020 15:52 UTCJennifer Cindrich

Herwig,

Thank you for the clarification on this. So if I understand you correctly, if a specimen is or is not analyzed, this description under the ‘i’ speaks for all the magnetite for that locale? Now I have learned yet again today. 

In the anatase thread I posted, I was under the impression that it spoke for that particular photo/mineral only. Now I see when I click on the magnetite above under the ‘i’ icon, the ‘validity seems to speak for all of them as you explain. 

Yes, this does not look like magnetite to me. 

Thank you,

Jennifer

7th Sep 2020 15:54 UTCJennifer Cindrich

Beppe,

My apologies. I thought you were asking if it had been analyzed and I thought I knew the answer. I simply misunderstood.

Jennifer
 

7th Sep 2020 14:41 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager

Beppe, Is the hematite from Montoso magnetic by any chance? Some collectors tend to check magnetism and assume that anything strongly attracted to a magnet is magnetite (although I am not necessarily assuming that this was the case here). It is not rare to find hematite that is anomalously magnetic, so I'm wondering whether that was the source of this error?

7th Sep 2020 16:51 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert

The French Creek Mines (Chester County, Pennsylvania) commonly produced a platy, black material that is magnetic. (The locality is closed; hence 'produced'. I assume the material is still magnetic, hence 'is'.) This was often labeled as 'hematite psuedomorph after magnetite'. Never had it analyzed but I assumed it is magnetic hematite, or maybe an admixture of hematite and magnetite.

7th Sep 2020 20:13 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

Alfredo, I don't know, it's something I've never verified; however, I do not believe that the author of the photo (which I know well) has made such a check, probably in this case, it is an error made uploading the image. It shouldn't, but it can happen ... The thing I find unacceptable is that the manager who authorized the photo had no doubts and even inserted it among those representing the magnetite specie of Montoso.

7th Sep 2020 20:14 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

I rectify the photo has now been removed and the specie is changed to Hematite.

7th Sep 2020 21:01 UTCMark Heintzelman 🌟 Expert

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Steve, the masses of platy material at French Creek is magnetite, and likely a pseudomorph after hematite.  I'd brought the seeming absence of any "actual" hematite to the attention of Ron Sloto some years ago, and having gone through the breadth of his materials came up with only a few specimen (one provided to me was this 4.5cm specimen pictured here) all with only minor specks of actual hematite enclosed in white (byssolite-free) massive calcite.  Flakes thin enough that light passes through many of them, exhibiting it's characteristic blood red coloration.

7th Sep 2020 23:28 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager

You can get magnetite replacing bladed hematite but its usually dull and opaque; the blood red colour on the original photo looks like hematite internal reflections unless they are an artefact, eg actual extraneous reflections on the photograph?

8th Sep 2020 01:24 UTCPaolo Bosio

The name was changed to hematite by the uploader, only because Alfredo raised a complaint against this photo. I'm pretty sure that only the Alfredo's complaint drew his attention to a discussion of which the uploader had never been aware otherwise.

I'm making this statement because in April 2020 I started discussions about two photos, but never received an answer. See:
By the way, the first discussion is about a photo uploaded by the same uploader of the Montoso photo. I could've raised a complaint or sent him a private message, but I preferred to use the open discussion area because the photo is very instructive. In fact, 
the minor yellow-brown skeletal pseudocubic crystals of perovskite amidst the lilac
chromian amesite represent an association unique for the locality, a sort of "trademark" of this famous Cr deposit.
Also the question about the second photo is threadworthy.

With these examples I want to prove that a new discussion about a specific photo doesn't always reach the uploader, maybe because of the difficulty to catch his/her attention only from the words of the subject appearing on the main page of the section Discussions. Perhaps, a good solution could be to send automatically an email message to the uploader every time that one of his/her photos is becoming a subject of discussion. Comments and other suggestions on this matter are welcome.
 

8th Sep 2020 10:08 UTCHerwig Pelckmans

Paolo Bosio Expert  ✉️

Perhaps, a good solution could be to send automatically an email message to the uploader every time that one of his/her photos is becoming a subject of discussion. Comments and other suggestions on this matter are welcome.
 
Dear Paolo,
I applaud you for this most clever suggestion.

IMHO it would be a real improvement of Mindat if this could be implemented. 

At the same time it would increase the response to those threads, not at least by the guy/girl "who started it all by adding his/her photo!

 Cheers, Herwig
ACAM & MKA (Belgium)

8th Sep 2020 10:53 UTCBeppe Finello Expert

Very well, I re-authorized the photo with the new indication and it is now visible in the Montoso hematite gallery. Thanks to everyone for the valuable interventions.
 
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