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Improving Mindat.orgNigrite?
9th Apr 2024 16:30 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager
I do not have a Dana, so can somebody check this nigrite please?
Can this be deleted?
A variety of what??
9th Apr 2024 16:40 UTCRichard Gibson 🌟
ASPHALTITE: Also asphaltum. Includes solid bituminous hydrocarbons known as albertite, impsonite, gilsonite, grahamite, nigrite and uintaite. U=0.001 percent. Mineralog. Mag., v. 15, p. 417, 1910.
Citation from USGS Bulletin 1009-F,GLOSSARY OF URANIUM- AND THORIUM-BEARING MINERALS THIRD EDITION By JUDITH WEISS FRONDEL and MICHAEL FLEISCHER
9th Apr 2024 16:40 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
C.A. Peterson (1899) 20th Annual Report of the USGS, pt 6, p. 257.
A pitchy body of the asphaltite group from Utah, USA.
(source: HEY'S 3rd, p. 496)
9th Apr 2024 16:42 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
Eddy Vervloet Manager ✉️
I do not have a Dana We all have different editions of Dana at our disposal.
9th Apr 2024 16:53 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
Currently, Uintaite is listed on Mindat as an independent "rock subtype"; Albertite is listed as both a variety of petroleum and a variety of bitumen; and Gilsonite is listed as a synonym of Uintaite.
9th Apr 2024 17:50 UTCTony Nikischer 🌟 Manager
9th Apr 2024 17:53 UTCSteve Hardinger 🌟 Expert
9th Apr 2024 20:29 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
9th Apr 2024 19:53 UTCErik Vercammen Expert
9th Apr 2024 21:01 UTCEddy Vervloet Manager
9th Apr 2024 21:41 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
9th Apr 2024 23:34 UTCLalith Aditya Senthil Kumar
11th Apr 2024 18:42 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
12th Apr 2024 00:29 UTCLalith Aditya Senthil Kumar
12th Apr 2024 07:38 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager
I revised the description of petroleum to note it can be solid, liquid or gas.
Disagree. Petroleum literally means 'rock oil' and the Wikipedia page states that it is liquid:
12th Apr 2024 14:19 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
12th Apr 2024 16:08 UTCJeff Weissman Expert
A better definition of petroleum will include both a density range and a viscosity range.
12th Apr 2024 21:58 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
13th Apr 2024 18:36 UTCJeff Weissman Expert
A simple suggestion is that if the hydrocarbon is a gas at room temperature and pressure, then its a gas - this includes methane, ethane and propane. It the hydrocarbon is a liquid, even an extremely viscous liquid such as natural pitch, bitumen or tar, than it can be lumped into the 'petroleum' catch-all category - any hydrocarbon containing 4 or more carbon atoms, in general. Propane straddles that line, as it is commonly sold as a mildly compressed liquid. Hydrocarbon being, of course, molecules containing only hydrogen and carbon.
By the way, here is the definition of petroleum from Wikipedia, which sometimes is a reliable source if used with caution, "Petroleum, also known as crude oil or simply oil, is a naturally occurring yellowish-black liquid mixture of mainly hydrocarbons, and is found in geological formations. The name petroleum covers both naturally occurring unprocessed crude oil and petroleum products that consist of refined crude oil." I don't have access to the Encyclopedia Britannica in order to make a qualified comparison of definitions.
We should stick with broad definitions and lump all of these old carbon-rich material names into several headings such as petroleum or coal, as we are not concerned with gases here in MinDat. And lets not even get started with peat, char, or other naturally occurring energy sources.
14th Apr 2024 13:30 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
The Britannica reference is: https://www.britannica.com/science/petroleum
The Primary Contributor was:
- Priscilla G. McLeroyProfessor and Director of the Undergraduate Program in Petroleum Engineering, Texas A&M University, College Station.
In addition I have worked with petroleum geologists before, who seemed to work with natural gas as much as oils.
I did also note the term can be used in a broad sense, or just for the liquid, crude oil.
I take your point that these are mixtures, and oil can have volatile, gaseous components.
Actually, though I am not a petroleum geologist I was the first person to identify natural petroleum in situ in Tasmania. The material was oily when fresh, but devolatised over a year or so to relatively solid bitumen. It was verified chemically as being natural.
I am no expert on natural gas but I understand that it can contain a lot of non-hydrocarbon compounds, so just calling it a hydrocarbon is not very accurate either. We do list natural gas in Mindat, though it’s classed as “a mixture of two or more mineral species”, like petroleum. We really need another classification for materials that cannot easily be lumped as rocks, chemical compounds or minerals.
Perhaps surprisingly, we do list a number of gases in Mindat, including hydrogen, helium and methane, but not oxygen, nitrogen, water vapour etc. (outside the Elements database).
14th Apr 2024 18:23 UTCJeff Weissman Expert
14th Apr 2024 22:02 UTCRalph S Bottrill 🌟 Manager
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