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Improving Mindat.orgcan we improve how "Rating" is defined for images?
24th Jul 2023 05:29 UTCDon Windeler
For a while now I’ve had an itchy question about the “Rating” aspect of photos on MinDat. As ever, I appreciate the community-based aspect of this site and am not criticizing – much – but am more looking to improve. Note comments here are not aimed at any user’s photos, rather the general process.
What determines what a photo receives as its “Rating” that is used for sorting images at a locality or other searches? As a regular user, I do not see any way of influencing this unless it is by clicking on the image and adding to its view count – there is no option to “upvote” or “like” a relevant image.
Part of why I ask this is frustration with a locality I know pretty well, the Yerington district in western Nevada (https://www.mindat.org/loc-6712.html). While there are many folks more expert than me, I did do my master’s thesis in the skarns near Ludwig from 1989-1992 and know a few things. I’ve periodically sponsored the area.
If I visit the region and look at mineral photos and use the default view by Rating, the piece that comes up is a travertine attributed to the Casting Copper mine (MinID 83E-ERC). Pretty sure this specimen was tagged here due to an earlier photo I posted of a similar small, crappy piece (CTH-4TL) that I collected and posted a year earlier. (Note I just fixed the locality on my piece, so they won't show the same as of this post.)
My question is how this other piece became the top-rated image for the Yerington district? The Yerington district was a major porphyry copper producer that was operating for close to a century and still has lots of reserves. There’s a huge range of primary and secondary minerals for it, including some fascinating, well-studied skarns on the periphery. The Ludwig area in particular is famous among knowledgeable regional collectors for its chartreuse vesuvianite crystals that reached 10+ cm in size.
Somehow, though, the top rated photo for the district is a secondary calcite that has basically nothing to do with the region, was one limited seam (as far as I’ve seen), and isn’t even that great of a photo. If the “Rating” criteria can only be influenced by clicks, however, it’ll keep getting bumped farther up the list because it’s the top-rated image when someone clicks through to the region. For Yerington, there are so many that would be better choices – personally I like PLF-TE5, because even though Rock left off the size you can see how big the vesuvianites got.
Please note I’m not campaigning for any of my photos here, most of which stink. There are dozens of photos that better represent the area and deserve to show up as the top rated for the locality. Looping back to my original question, how can the community influence image Rating? If it’s only via clicking on a photo, the current system will reinforce selection of the images with the most clicks, even if they are irrelevant to a locality.
Upvoting... just another of those nice-to-have features for which we all should contribute to support somehow!
Cheers,
D.
24th Jul 2023 05:53 UTCJohn Christian
24th Jul 2023 05:59 UTCDon Windeler
24th Jul 2023 07:13 UTCDave Griffiths
24th Jul 2023 07:15 UTCDave Griffiths
24th Jul 2023 08:46 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
24th Jul 2023 10:27 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
If you have a large number of photos that have been given a lot of rating scores over many years, that potentially can make it very hard for high quality new photos to be seen.
Image resolution (higher resolution images preferred over low-res)
A rating for the photographer based on their contributions to the site. For example, how many POTDs they have had, their level of access, and overall number of complaints about images in the past.
How new the image is
How many 'flags' have been raised in approval (each of which should significantly decrease the score)
Votes from members are useful but need to be balanced with the age of an image - newer images won't have had the opportunity to receive as many votes.
We want new images to be given more of a chance than they are now.
25th Jul 2023 07:33 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
Jolyon Ralph Founder ✉️
We want new images to be given more of a chance than they are now.25th Jul 2023 08:55 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
25th Jul 2023 10:12 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
Jolyon Ralph Founder ✉️
Newest first isn't a great idea either.25th Jul 2023 10:27 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
25th Jul 2023 10:43 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
David Von Bargen Manager ✉️
Recent photos are not necessarily better than older ones.25th Jul 2023 11:59 UTCDave Griffiths
25th Jul 2023 12:51 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
25th Jul 2023 12:59 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
25th Jul 2023 13:11 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
25th Jul 2023 14:50 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
David Von Bargen Manager ✉️
Ordering them by ratings at least has some expert input as to the order that they should be displayed.25th Jul 2023 14:57 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
25th Jul 2023 15:00 UTCDavid Von Bargen Manager
Herwig Pelckmans Expert ✉️
So, can you tell us how many mineral photos there are, and how many of those have been rated? The homepage states 1,287,370 photos, but I assume not all of those are mineral photos.25th Jul 2023 15:17 UTCHerwig Pelckmans
David Von Bargen Manager ✉️
26th Jul 2023 16:35 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
Let's take (mix of rare & common)
quartz
fluorite
bayldonite
cubanite
vesuvianite
Quartz - Default order is *MUCH* better than Newest
Fluorite - I'd say it's a draw. The photos on 'Newest' are better, BUT we have the problem with newest that if someone uploads a large number of photos from the same locality in one go, then the 'newest' page becomes flooded with one locality.
Bayldonite - Default order wins for me
Cubanite - Default order way better
Vesuvianite - Again I'd say closer to a draw, the photos on 'default' are slightly better, but I'll be fair and call this one a draw.
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I wasn't expecting the results to be so conclusive, but to me this indicates that it would be a very bad idea to switch the default to 'newest'
25th Jul 2023 13:26 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
25th Jul 2023 13:51 UTCYuri Spektor
26th Jul 2023 16:25 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
https://www.mindat.org/device_settings.php
25th Jul 2023 17:00 UTCEd Clopton 🌟 Expert
25th Jul 2023 18:29 UTCAlfredo Petrov Manager
26th Jul 2023 12:22 UTCBill Hamel 🌟
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