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Generalpyrite from "Upper Bergland, Germany"

3rd Jun 2023 17:07 UTCDon Windeler

Folks:

This is probably an easy one for our European contingent, but I'm ending up with too many choices and not enough knowledge.

I recently acquired a nice little pyrite thumbnail with an interpenetrant crystal perched on top of a chip of limestone matrix. The only locality info on the label is "Upper Bergland, Germany", however, and I can't figure out where this is.

Searching MinDat for Berland in Germany, I get a couple of options in Hesse: the Fulda-Werra mountains and the Kassel region. "Upper Bergland" in Wikipedia, however, points me to the North Palatine Uplands in the Rhineland-Palatinate, with an aka of Nordfalzer Bergland. A search on the latter leads me to Nordfalzer Land in Rhineland-Palatinate (https://www.mindat.org/loc-347131.html) which doesn't have any photos of pyrite with which to compare.

Just wondering if this is enough for someone to get me a little closer on the locality, even if it's just the state. Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

3rd Jun 2023 17:43 UTCDon Windeler

To add to the fun, I just stumbled across an e-rocks auction listing from Vlotho in North Rhine-Westphalia -- will not link to avoid advertising rules -- that's nearly a dead ringer for my matrix and habit.

I wouldn't suggest that level of attribution given there are multiple other locs in the area around Detmold, North Rhine-Westphalia (https://www.mindat.org/loc-23824.html) that have similar pyrite and matrix, but it just makes me wonder if "Upper Bergland" is a hopelessly wide definition that I'll just have to live with.

3rd Jun 2023 17:46 UTCFrank Mersch

Can you show us the label, please?

Perhaps stupid - but my first thought was "Weserbergland":

https://www.mindat.org/feature-6557624.html

The cystal looks like:

https://www.mindat.org/loc-15729.html

https://www.mindat.org/search.php?lo=1&ty=1&search=extertal

There are perhaps many other possibilities - but it looks like a little bit

Hope that helps

Frank

3rd Jun 2023 18:04 UTCDon Windeler

Frank:

I could add a photo of the label, but there's not much value in doing so. It literally just says "Pyrite, Upper Bergland, Germany" and is hand-written by the previous collector, Dennis Ewell of California. I have a bunch of other TNs from this collection with matching style, so there's no extra clues to be gained by sleuthing the label history.

Maibolte (the loc 15729 you list) is one of the Detmold spots that showed similar specimens. I just don't know whether anyone would include that area in Upper Bergland.

3rd Jun 2023 18:08 UTCFrank Mersch

just my 2 cts: "Weser"-"Bergland" - Weser is the river passing there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weser_Uplands. But how to get from Weser to Upper? Number of letters is right and there are 40% hits ;-)

;-)

Frank

3rd Jun 2023 20:02 UTCAmir C. Akhavan Expert

There is Lipper Bergland, which actually is part of Weserbergland.

And with bad handwriting a "Li" may look like a "U".

Maibolte is in Lipper Bergland, but there are other localities with similar specimen.

3rd Jun 2023 20:34 UTCDon Windeler

That could make sense. The current label is definitely "Upper" but who knows what he had before that to write up the label. Leaning toward using that regional designation.

Cheers,

4th Jun 2023 07:56 UTCFrank Mersch

Hi, 100 percent plausible! Thx Frank

4th Jun 2023 01:30 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Amir could very well be correct.

I have seen and I’m sure we have all seen transposed letters/ typos in labels.

It is always important to keep ALL labels accompanying a specimen as clues may be hidden. They are of course always interesting.

Perhaps we should try and add photos of labels to accompany our mineral photos on Mindat ensuring the history goes with the specimen.

4th Jun 2023 17:57 UTCDon Windeler

OK, thanks all for the input -- mispelling seems like a good explanation of how this piece got to be labeled as it is.

Unless I get a recommendation for something more generic, I will use

Lippe, Detmold, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany

https://www.mindat.org/loc-286107.html

Wikipedia indicates "Lippe Uplands" are equivalent to the German "Lipper Bergland". The linked locality is not specific to a mine, but includes several reasonable suspects such as the aforementioned Maibolte Mine. I'll link this discussion in the description for reference.

Cheers,

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