Quick Links : Mindat手册 The Rock H. Currier Digital Library Mindat Newsletter [Free Download]

主页关于 Mindat Mindat手册 Mindat的历史版权 Who We Are 联系我们于 Mindat.org刊登广告

捐赠给 Mindat Corporate Sponsorship 赞助板页已赞助的板页在 Mindat刊登广告的广告商于 Mindat.org刊登广告

Learning Center What is a mineral?The most common minerals on earth Information for Educators Mindat Articles The Elements The Rock H. Currier Digital Library Geologic Time

搜索矿物的性质搜索矿物的化学 Advanced Locality Search 随意显示任何一种矿物 Random Locality 使用minID搜索邻近产地 Search Articles 搜索词汇表更多搜索选项

Mindat手册添加新照片 Rate Photos 产区编辑报告 Coordinate Completion Report 添加词汇表项目

Mining Companies 统计会员列表 Mineral Museums Clubs & Organizations 矿物展及活动 The Mindat目录表设备设置 The Mineral Quiz

照片搜索 Photo Galleries Search by Color 今天最新的照片昨天最新的照片用户照片相集过去每日精选照片相集 Photography

Discussions

💬 Home 🔎 Search 📅 Latest

╳Discussions

💬 Home 🔎 Search 📅 Latest

Groups

Recent Images in Discussions

Identity HelpNorway Beryl

22nd Apr 2020 19:56 UTCTom Henderson

I have acquired an attractive, chunky blue beryl crystal reportedly from Norway. The beryl and quartz matrix closely resemble the material from Landsverk3 Quarry in Mindat Photo id 348932, although the crystal form of my specimen is a typical hexagonal barrel shape. The label associated with the acquired specimen appears to read: "Blue Beryl Xls, Ffendzamd, Norway" with the additional note of "Mine Closed". I am unable to find any further information on Mindat or Google supporting "Ffendzamd".

Are there any collectors who can offer clarification or add further information to support this label?

22nd Apr 2020 20:04 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

Can you scan or photograph the label?

22nd Apr 2020 20:05 UTCKevin Conroy Manager

A photo of the label may help.

Edit - Uwe beat me to it!

23rd Apr 2020 00:05 UTCTom Henderson

Attached

23rd Apr 2020 07:59 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen 🌟 Manager

The name is not familiar. If the spelling is starting with two f's, that is unlikely a Norwegian placename, I don't think there are any starting with ff. It may be a try to write down a heard name, but phonetically the ffendzamd doesn 't ring a bell for a Norwegian. May it be fferdzn?rd ? ?

23rd Apr 2020 14:52 UTCMario Lazzerini Denchi 🌟

Another possibility could be Ferdznard Fjellet or Ferdinand Fjellet aka Zeppelin Fjellet a mountain in Svalbard.

https://worddisk.com/wiki/Zeppelinfjellet/

23rd Apr 2020 09:21 UTCMario Lazzerini Denchi 🌟

I think the first F. is Fjellet that in Norwegian means Mountain, so the place name could be:

Fjellet Ferdznard or may be Fjellet Ferdnand, the problem is that I could not find any Fjellet Ferdnand in google maps for Norway.......

23rd Apr 2020 13:04 UTCA. M.

Maybe the initial letter is "E" or "I" - instead "F" - ?

23rd Apr 2020 17:40 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen 🌟 Manager

The locality for the beryl is most likely a granite pegmatite, that will rule out Zeppelinfjellet on Spitsbergen as there are, so far as I know, not reported any pegmatites on the Brøggerhalvøya ( a peninsula where the Zeppelinfjellet is located).

Ferdinand is not a Norwegian mountain name.

23rd Apr 2020 19:26 UTCKnut Eldjarn 🌟 Manager

Beryl from Ljosland in the municipality of Iveland has been common in old collections. It may be a long shot, but could the label represent a mistaken attempt to write "Ljosland" from a distorted memory following an oral information received i. e. at a mineral show?

Knut Eldjarn

23rd Apr 2020 23:45 UTCKeith Compton 🌟 Manager

Certainly in the label there is a full stop after the first F.

I thought that this might indicate a fjord but given that Mario has highlighted the fact that

Fjellet means mountain then that would indicate that it is Mount ... something

23rd Apr 2020 23:58 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

I love this mystery as much as the next person, and every time I see a new post on this thread I wonder if someone has uncovered the critical clue to solve the "case of the crappy handwriting". That being said, since the specimen was "acquired" (recently?), Tom, can't you just send the dealer an email and ask, "hi, I can't quite make out this label of yours... could you offer some more information about this locality?" :-)

24th Apr 2020 02:30 UTCTom Henderson

Aaaaah, if only it were that easy, Frank. Not from a dealer, but an old collection. Thank you everyone for your thoughts. I'll see if I can get a decent photo of the crystal. Gotta love a good mystery, anyway!

24th Apr 2020 09:19 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

surely there must be more information

'old collection'

after whom? from who? where was it obtained? when? etc.

24th Apr 2020 09:33 UTCFrank K. Mazdab 🌟 Manager

good point... for example, if there were other specimens sporting the same label style, perhaps we'd have more writing samples to analyze (e.g. are the two small ink spots [between the Ff and after the d] purposeful full stops, or is the writer just sloppy with where his/her pen falls?) Also, since the label writer knew this mine was closed, perhaps he/she was the actual collector of the specimen... if so, and if the collector concentrated on one region, maybe other samples with the same label style might give away the region in Norway the set is from? All wishful thinking, of course... maybe that strange Ff word isn't even a place, but a person, or something else, and the locality is simply "Norway"? The mystery continues...

24th Apr 2020 09:40 UTCUwe Kolitsch Manager

It might not even be Norway - I have seen (old) labels on which Norway and Sweden were confused.

24th Apr 2020 14:31 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

It does not even have to be Europe

https://www.mindat.org/gallery.php?loc=23858&min=819

24th Apr 2020 21:39 UTCTom Henderson

Well, I'd like to think something on the label is correct, so let's stick with Norway as an assumption. We've probably exhausted possibilities on the label, so here's a quick snapshot of the crystal. Are there any clues in the crystal itself to a Norway locality? The matrix is a gray quartz, and the "age" of the specimen is likely between 10 and 50 years. That's all the available information I can think of. Any informed guesses?

25th Apr 2020 06:47 UTCJohan Kjellman Expert

obviously dead Norwegian blue!

25th Apr 2020 13:02 UTCGabriel Plattes

Might the person have been trying to write the name down phonetically? Could it have been Fidjeland? To our Norwegian experts, does this word sound as if it has a 'z' in it when pronounced? If so, could the specimen have come from Ljosland, as Knut suggests?

25th Apr 2020 13:35 UTCGabriel Plattes

Well, I am probably way off there. But I would be looking for a mountain near Ljosland, which starts with 'Fe'. I sent a message to 'Peakvisor', to see if they can help.

25th Apr 2020 15:56 UTCTom Henderson

Disregarding the specific place name, is there a Norway locality that would be at all distinctive for this crystal? Or district? Or region?

25th Apr 2020 16:11 UTCKnut Eldjarn 🌟 Manager

The beryl is not distinctive for any specific locality in Norway - and could also originate from a pegmatite in many other countries around the world.

Knut

25th Apr 2020 16:14 UTCKnut Edvard Larsen 🌟 Manager

I agree with Knut.

25th Apr 2020 17:54 UTCTom Henderson

Okay, Okay, We've probably flogged this horse enough. I'll leave the locality as simply "Norway". Thanks all for your great efforts! I appreciate them all. -Tom

Go to top of page