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Mineral ExchangesMuseu Jobas in Brazil - a warning for potential traders
10th Aug 2008 00:48 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
The "Curator" of this museum, Paulo Matioli, has been trying to arrange exchanges with many individuals worldwide for this museum collection. He claims that it is "Museum Policy" to never send specimens first in any exchange. Of course, as it is his collection and his museum, the policy is simply what he says it is, and it appears he likes to work this way because many people have claimed he has never sent anything in return for the exchanges.
Mindat.org STRONGLY reccommends NOT EXCHANGING minerals with the Paulo Matioli (AKA "Museu Jobas" ) - should you wish to do so please insist on receiving his exchange material first.
I do not like writing announcements like this on mindat, there are very few bad apples in the mineral exchange world, and I hope this will help to make mineral exchanging safer for everyone.
Jolyon
10th Aug 2008 02:00 UTCPaulo Matioli
Who do you think is to be speaking this way about me or even the museum where I work and that throw the first stone who never wrong and be judging any people is very ugly and just God only to judge everyone.
For your information the Jobas Museum exist more than 7 years and I have all documents and evidence that the museum exists with a very good job with the community and with schools contributing to the teaching of natural sciences, but I am not and must not be giving any details about the museum or my person to anyone who I don’t know, ok.
You Jolyon in your Mindat site already spoken very badly from my very good friend the serious minerals dealer Gunnar Faeber that make a lot minerals exchange with me for a many years and a very long time and Gunnar have already met and visited the museum sometimes, as well as other minerals collectors friends from Brazil and worldwide.
As I said before I am already solving all my old exchange commitments that I know that I failed, most now come to talk about me or even be investigating or speculating about my life or even put a warning about the museum or my person is really absurd.
Let us stop all this history here that is the best for everyone.
Paulo.
10th Aug 2008 02:34 UTCJolyon Ralph Founder
I have personal experience of this, you said this to me when you tried to get me to send you rare British minerals. Luckily I did not.
You cannot expect your appalling behavior to collectors over the years to remain unnoticed and uncriticised. Because of this it is our duty to warn everyone in the mineral world about you.
Jolyon
5th May 2009 21:17 UTCAdrián Pesudo
I have edited this message because Paulo Matioli has contact with me, after my very hard words. Perhaps all has been an unlucky confusion between both and we try to find a solution about his shipment for me. I´ll comunicate all this to the forum (if really is impossible to send any mineral from his Brasilian State, Sao Paulo) and, of course, I´ll apologyze if that´s true.
Adrián Pesudo
3rd Jul 2009 17:40 UTCAdrián Pesudo
Paulo has been last june in Minas Gerais and he has sent from there some of the packets without problems. Thanks for all, and I am sorry for my doubtes about you, Paulo.
I hope in a few time he can to sent all his old obligations with other collectors.
From Spain,
Adrián Pesudo.
19th Sep 2009 09:02 UTCMatteo Chinellato Expert
Matioli, he have order to me at 1200 euro of meteorites
promise a friend here in Italy pay me first, I have to give
the meteorites to this friend and after this give the
meteorites to Matioli. I have say ok, I have give a discount
on the price and a meteorite free over. I have contact this
friend, seen I know, but he have say immediatly he are not
interested in this type of transictions. After this Matioli
have start to change the order, passing from 1200 euro order
to a 720 euro order and claiming a discount of at 250 euro
and a R chondrite of 100 euro in gift. Sure....after have
say I never give similar discounts, only if the order is
very high, he have change again idea changing again the
order...when I have lost totaly the patience and I have say
if you want this is the price or goodbye, I have close the
order with the excuse the tax for the bank transiction is to
much high to Italy - 10 euro - and why the friend here in
Italy not give a hand to this affair.
A my advise, if this person contact you, forget it its only
time lost
19th Sep 2009 15:10 UTCRicardo Pimentel Expert
20th Sep 2009 21:05 UTCBill Lechner Expert
Bill
17th Nov 2009 23:43 UTCRicardo Pimentel Expert
I received on last Friday one parcel, with Brazilian phosphates, from Paulo Matioli. This is the end of this episode.
Greetings,
Ricardo
18th Nov 2009 05:42 UTCMatteo Chinellato Expert
18th Nov 2009 07:38 UTCRossano Carlini
18th Nov 2009 07:49 UTCSimone Citon Expert
14th Oct 2011 07:29 UTCEdinho Nagao
16th Apr 2012 17:47 UTCCarlos Keiser
Museu Jobas is now called Museu Joias da Natureza ('Nature's Jewels Museum'). I'm wondering why the museum's name has changed.
However, the museum has not an internet site yet.
Paulo M. seems to be a compulsive, pathological collector.
17th Apr 2012 06:30 UTCCarlos Keiser
I'm sorry, I forgot to post the link to an youtube video on Matioli's museum.
Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcpcnn-DmF4
17th Apr 2012 09:24 UTCChris Mavris Manager
I never had the chance to exchange with Mr. Matioli, but his approach and the structure of the 'museum' look exactly like the other case I personally know...
20th Aug 2018 18:18 UTCBen Dísraeli
Ben
21st Aug 2018 02:54 UTCDon Windeler
Cheers,
D.
21st Aug 2018 09:09 UTCMatt King
21st Aug 2018 12:49 UTCA. M.
21st Aug 2018 14:00 UTCPaul De Bondt Manager
But it's good to have such kind of topics to avoid others to get caught by such individuals.
21st Aug 2018 17:27 UTCAdrián Pesudo
21st Aug 2018 21:12 UTCKnut Eldjarn 🌟 Manager
22nd Aug 2018 07:13 UTCDon Windeler
Knut, interesting note of the collection being sold and popping up -- I knew the name sounded familiar and that might explain it.
Cheers,
D.
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