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Messaggeria in lingua italianaAzzurrite

10th May 2012 01:12 UTCSteve Stuart Expert

Hello!

I purchased two micromounts of azzurite at the CMMA Symposium in Canada last weekend. One comes from Capo Calamita, Isla Elba and the other from Serrabottini. My mindat images are here:

http://www.mindat.org/photo-463953.html

and here:

http://www.mindat.org/photo-463952.html

It is evident from the photos below that the same person collected/mounted both specimens. Does anyone recognize the style of labeling, printing or dating? Can this person be identified from the photos?

Thanks!

Steve Stuart

10th May 2012 15:27 UTCGiorgio Bortolozzi

I can only to say the collector don't knows well italian geography, because it is Serrabottini and not Serra Bottini!

10th May 2012 15:38 UTCChris Mavris Manager

Well, hard to judge. Apparently, if you use the name Serra Bottini on Google, several results pop up:

https://www.google.ch/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=seb&ie=UTF-8#hl=de&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=serra%20bottini&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=&pbx=1&fp=d20817ae409a0d85&ix=seb&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1345&bih=818

Perhaps there are two ways to call the place?

I am not from there, but could it be that this is a local way to call the area?

Qualche toscano puo' aiutarci?

10th May 2012 16:53 UTCGiorgio Bortolozzi

From many years the correct name is Serrabottini.

http://www.google.it/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CGsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Farcheologiamedievale.unisi.it%2FSitoCNR%2FMetalli%2FMetallifere%2Fmassa9.html&ei=x-OrT-63K8Tj4QSq0PSACQ&usg=AFQjCNGw-c180Q2Mr61SmxwsSGLe4VRdYA&sig2=DeiX0MUnSUAZeAdTum3OlA

10th May 2012 17:49 UTCDomenico Preite Expert

Mi pare a memoria di intuire che i campioni possano essere della ex collezione Carlo Cassinelli,

che non si occupa più di minerali e non vedo da anni, ma lo stile dei cartellini è quello per me.

Forse Giorgio potrebbe confermare.

10th May 2012 23:07 UTCSteve Stuart Expert

Courtesy of Google Translate:

I think from memory to guess that samples can be ex-collection of Charles Cassinelli,

that is more concerned with minerals and can not wait for years, but the style of the cards is the one for me.

Maybe George could confirm.

Thank you, Domenico!

11th May 2012 14:50 UTCAntonio Borrelli Expert

Yes these specimens were mounted by Carlo Cassinelli.

I have some with identical labels in my collection too.

11th May 2012 22:20 UTCGiorgio Bortolozzi

Tu sei troppo giovane per avere scambiato con Cassinelli, la cui collezione è stata acquistata da molti collezionisti, in primis - se non vado errato - da Domenico.

Io abitavo a meno di 200 metri da Carlo, quando ero a Milano e ci si trovava ogni tanto a casa sua (abbiamo scritto anche un articolo assieme nel 1984 su Pilcante). Carlo era molto metodico e scriveva molto bene.

In particolare, le località erano scritte sempre con la maiuscola, seguita da minuscole. Non faceva svolazzi (come si vedono nella v) e scriveva l'Uno senza la gambetta iniziale, ma con una semplice sbarretta.

I suoi vari campioni hanno subito sicuramente alcune modifiche nelle etichette (le sue erano senza le righe a cornice).

A dimostrazione di quanto dico ecco una sua etichetta originale dello stesso anno 1981 e si possono notare le differenze che ho appena citate.

11th May 2012 23:47 UTCSteve Stuart Expert

Google's translation of Giorgio's response:

You're too young to have exchanged with Cassinelli, whose collection was purchased by many collectors, first of all - if I understand correctly - by Domenico.

I lived less than 200 meters from Charles when I was in Milan and there was every so often to his house (we have also written an article together in 1984 Pilcante). Caro was very methodical and very well written.

In particular, the sites were always written with a capital letter followed by lowercase letters. He made no flourishes (as seen in v) and wrote the original one without the leg, but with a simple slash.

Its definitely different samples have been some changes in the labels (his were no lines in the frame).

A demonstration of what I say here is an original label of the same year 1981 and you can see the differences I just mentioned.

I have lined up my images with those of Giorgio and Domenico, and I see enough similarity to know that my mounts came from Carlo Cassinelli. The common traits are the species name in capital letters and underlined, and the handwriting of the dates. Thank you all for your responses!

Steve

12th May 2012 08:25 UTCChris Mavris Manager

Actually, I find them pretty similar, too...

21st May 2012 01:57 UTCSteve Stuart Expert

I have another puzzle:

Does this micromounting style look familiar to anyone? The specimen is anatase from Rio delle Marne, Ghiare, Parma. I cannot find an exact match on Mindat.

Thanks!

steve

21st May 2012 04:34 UTCFederico Perola

Hi Steve,

I found this match :

http://www.mindat.org/loc-223420.html

Regards

Federico

21st May 2012 18:14 UTCFabrizio Frattini Expert

Hi Steve,

I confirm the match found by Federico.

Rio delle Marne is a short creek which is very close tho the village of Ghiare, in the Berceto municipality, but the creek, being at the opposite side of the Taro river, is totally in the municipality of Valmozzola. That's the reason why many collectors wrongly label the locality as 'Rio delle Marne, Ghiare di Berceto, Parma'. The right one is the Mindat locality.

Cheers

Fabrizio

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